delta1
6 years ago
as if many people today give a fig
frankj1
6 years ago
can't find one in my size
ROGER JARRETT
6 years ago
I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.
I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.
Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets.
frankj1
6 years ago
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frankj1
6 years ago
I was serious...
ROGER JARRETT
6 years ago
No, Bill Hicks.
frankj1
6 years ago
didn't realize you meant someone who died for our sins
bgz
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6 years ago
lol wat? frank on fire tonight!
frankj1
6 years ago
I'm all done now.
You've been a great audience.
RayR
6 years ago

anybody know who Jim Ostrowski is? He's not prominently mentioned as a leading thinker of the progressive philosophy...not even mentioned as a major critic of the movement...


here's a self critique, by Ostrowski, from the website Ray cited:

"I spent forty years trying to change things through the political process and by writing hundreds of articles that, in my opinion, diagnosed problems and proposed workable solutions. The response, not only to my modest efforts but to the whole liberty movement, was a yawn. People did not listen. They did not want to hear it."

really Ray?...... you're planting your flag with and following this guy???

delta1 wrote:



You dip your toe momentarily into a subject and think you've got a grip on everything. It's an amazing capability you progressives think you have, it's like knowledge by osmosis, which explains your ability to suck up all kinds of absurd ideas. What takes most people weeks, months or even years to understand, you got it in a matter of minutes.

I know Jim personally, he's a local guy. He's right, I was there with him for a time and the focus was greatly on local and state issues.
The majority of people are afraid of change, even when it would be change for the better. They are more comfortable with the status quo even it it works against their best interests. How else do you explain the current condition of New York State, the Progressive crap hole that it is? How do you explain Governor and Prince, Andrew Cuomo. He's another fake Catholic like Biden and Pelosi. Cuomo's political inspiration is Niccolò Machiavelli, you know "the end justifies the means" guy. Prince Andrew is a cold calculating Machiavellian, the source of his political philosophy is not an exaggeration or hyperbole.
https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/how-to/human-resources/2016/10/leader-s-philosophy-affects-organization-s-culture.html 
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2017/01/11/andrew-cuomo-nys-machiavellian-governor/ 

He, like all progressive tyrants he never takes responsibility for any of his progressive failures, which are many.
I found it most telling how easily conservatives could be suckered. When he was on TV everyday giving out specious statistics, barking out orders, and looking like he's got a grip on this Corona thing, even conservatives gave him a 80% approval rating for his political theatre. That was before the revelations of the nursing home tragedies and who done it.
When he ran out of stuff to talk about, he might talk about his mothers meatballs or show off a collage he made of hundreds of homemade masks sent to him, he calls "A Self Portrait of America".
(Beware those with sensitive ears, very funny but lots of adult language)


victor809
6 years ago
So RayR is probably just this Jim Ostowroski guy trying to drum up business for his book.
bgz
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6 years ago
Think you're on to something there...

Guess I don't need the book now, got the real thing right here.
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6 years ago
Found his book!!!

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4b5e/e76f20c4fa09875ba82bcb28d03a82c8a4b8.pdf 

Actually looks really interesting, I downloaded it, probably going to read it!
RayR
6 years ago

So RayR is probably just this Jim Ostowroski guy trying to drum up business for his book.

victor809 wrote:



Victor, you comments get more and more inane as time goes on. It's a feature of the progressive mind.
victor809
6 years ago

Victor, you comments get more and more inane as time goes on. It's a feature of the progressive mind.

RayR wrote:



Why do you think I'm "progressive"?
RayR
6 years ago

Think you're on to something there...

Guess I don't need the book now, got the real thing right here.

bgz wrote:



Comeon Man! as your senile progressive thought leader says.
You don't read books, you absorb their essence through the ether.
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6 years ago

Comeon Man! as your senile progressive thought leader says.
You don't read books, you absorb their essence through the ether.

RayR wrote:



You're my senile progressive thought leader???

Where you been all my life... you must teach me this knowledge absorbtion trick... You realize how much time that will save me?

Oh, what kind of rates are you giving on insurance these days?
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6 years ago
oh ya, spoiler alert... the "book" I found is actually thesis paper from a dude with the same name about symetry in integer programming.

Though it is up my alley for something I might read, I probably won't actually read it.
RayR
6 years ago

Why do you think I'm "progressive"?

victor809 wrote:



Walks like a progressive, talks like a progressive....must be a progressive!

Progressivism is not something limited to Democrats, NO NO NO. It infects those that refer to themselves as Independents, Conservative and Republicans. It's a sickening belief that a civilized society is not organic, but must be artificially thrust forward toward Utopia by "democracy", the God of progressivism.
H.L. Menken had an accurate definition of democracy which naturally repelled Progressives...
“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

I give one of the worst Progressives in history as an example, which is why naturally progressives on all sides adore him as among the greatest of presidents. Like all progressives he was the consummate nationalist busybody, he loved war as the way to national greatness, he hated decentralization of power, therefore he hated the old Jeffersonian republic and relished the idea of the imperial presidency among other disgusting things.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/06/thomas-woods/the-evil-of-teddy/ 
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