victor809
6 years ago
Ok, lets try this again, because your vague-ness is irritating.

Identify a single thing which I have stated here that identifies me, in your less than sophisticated mind, as "progressive".
RayR
6 years ago

Ok, lets try this again, because your vague-ness is irritating.

Identify a single thing which I have stated here that identifies me, in your less than sophisticated mind, as "progressive".

victor809 wrote:



My "vague-ness is irritating"? Victor, you have never agreed with anything I've posted, as a matter of fact, all you comment in return is substance-less vagueness and personal attacks.
Since I am a principled anti-progressive, I can only surmise that you are a progressive. Capisce?
bgz
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6 years ago


No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

RayR wrote:



I'll bite... wtf are you talking about?

I have questions...

What agents did you pay and what were their qualifications as research specialists?

You tried to find where people tried to underestimate collective intelligence of the populace and failed and you turned up short? lol wat?

Let me get this straight, with your hired agents, you were unable to find any case where plans of would be exploiters failed due to their underestimation of the average intelligence of people?

Do you even read the sh*t you wrote after you wrote it, or just assume it's gold?

It's clear you're stringing a bunch of bullets together trying to come to some sort of twisted logical conclusion, but when your individual bullet points are incoherent and filled with obvious fallacies, how is anyone supposed to take you serious?

I've been out of the game for a minute, but apparently we've moved on from libtards and leftists, and moved on to progressives.

So I'm confused, if progressives are not necessarily democrats, but could also be independents and *gulp* even conservatives... then you are saying that you think anyone that doesn't think exactly like you... in that they should be stuck in old schools of thought (the antithesis to progress), then they are blind... uneducated... foolish? I know you hate progressives, but I'm not sure exactly why.

Here's some bullets that I got from your last post:

* You hate progressives
* You hate democracies
* You hate independents
* You hate Teddy Roosevelt
* You hate right leaning people that look towards the future, instead of dwelling on the past.
* You would rather be back in the old days of Thomas Jefferson... which I can logically conclude that you would be ok going back in time to a civilization that murdered savages and enslaved dark people... because those guys really knew how to handle all situations, even though they never heard of a shopping mall, mega corporation, cell phone, (or any phone for that matter). So you're a simple man, who would like to enjoy the simpler things of times long since passed.

So there you go, some bullet soup, in bullet form. When we look at your posts, that's kinda what we see...
victor809
6 years ago

My "vague-ness is irritating"? Victor, you have never agreed with anything I've posted, as a matter of fact, all you comment in return is substance-less vagueness and personal attacks.
Since I am a principled anti-progressive, I can only surmise that you are a progressive. Capisce?

RayR wrote:



That's.... a dumb take.
Your personal opinion of yourself is a "principled anti-progressive", however so far all you've done is spout mostly incomprehensible attacks on "progressives" with some extraordinary broad brushes of what you believe "progressives" to be, ranging from Reagan to whoever started public schools in America. You're all over the place. A smart person would disagree with you just based on principle.
victor809
6 years ago



Let me get this straight, with your hired agents, you were unable to find any case where plans of would be exploiters failed due to their underestimation of the average intelligence of people?

bgz wrote:



To be fair to the idiot, he was directly quoting Menken. So you're kinda just arguing with a dead journalist here.
bgz
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6 years ago
I don't know the reference, but it just goes to show that I should have known better to analyze bullet soup... it's just that crazy itch I have to find patterns in chaos.
victor809
6 years ago

I don't know the reference, but it just goes to show that I should have known better to analyze bullet soup... it's just that crazy itch I have to find patterns in chaos.

bgz wrote:



I don't disagree with you.... doesn't say much when the only coherent thing in his post was someone else's words.
RayR
6 years ago

I'll bite... wtf are you talking about?

I have questions...

What agents did you pay and what were their qualifications as research specialists?

You tried to find where people tried to underestimate collective intelligence of the populace and failed and you turned up short? lol wat?

Let me get this straight, with your hired agents, you were unable to find any case where plans of would be exploiters failed due to their underestimation of the average intelligence of people?

Do you even read the sh*t you wrote after you wrote it, or just assume it's gold?

It's clear you're stringing a bunch of bullets together trying to come to some sort of twisted logical conclusion, but when your individual bullet points are incoherent and filled with obvious fallacies, how is anyone supposed to take you serious?

I've been out of the game for a minute, but apparently we've moved on from libtards and leftists, and moved on to progressives.

So I'm confused, if progressives are not necessarily democrats, but could also be independents and *gulp* even conservatives... then you are saying that you think anyone that doesn't think exactly like you... in that they should be stuck in old schools of thought (the antithesis to progress), then they are blind... uneducated... foolish? I know you hate progressives, but I'm not sure exactly why.

Here's some bullets that I got from your last post:

* You hate progressives
* You hate democracies
* You hate independents
* You hate Teddy Roosevelt
* You hate right leaning people that look towards the future, instead of dwelling on the past.
* You would rather be back in the old days of Thomas Jefferson... which I can logically conclude that you would be ok going back in time to a civilization that murdered savages and enslaved dark people... because those guys really knew how to handle all situations, even though they never heard of a shopping mall, mega corporation, cell phone, (or any phone for that matter). So you're a simple man, who would like to enjoy the simpler things of times long since passed.

So there you go, some bullet soup, in bullet form. When we look at your posts, that's kinda what we see...

bgz wrote:



LOL! I'm sorry, I couldn't stop laughing. Dude you've been out of the game for a lot more than a minute, you've been a member of the cult for far too long. I've got work to do, I don't have time to fill you in on logic or reality or history either, which would probably be a waste of time anyway. It's a pity when even simple concepts are unintelligible, the indoctrination of the cult is a terrible thing to overcome and it ain't my job anyway.
tonygraz
6 years ago
I think Ray Ray lives in his parent's basement and refuses to come out other than to visit the outhouse because it would be progressive.
bgz
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6 years ago
Just got done listening to a Rogan/Shapiro podcast. I think Ben Shapiro is a bright, intelligent individual... and I'm listening to the conversation and I couldn't help but to think that RayRay and his ilk would consider the man to be a progressive...

Anyway, just a thought, looking forward to whether or not my suspicions are accurate.
victor809
6 years ago

Just got done listening to a Rogan/Shapiro podcast. I think Ben Shapiro is a bright, intelligent individual... and I'm listening to the conversation and I couldn't help but to think that RayRay and his ilk would consider the man to be a progressive...

Anyway, just a thought, looking forward to whether or not my suspicions are accurate.

bgz wrote:



Pretty sure Shapiro is an idiot. But RayRay may still think he's a progressive... that seems to be a very broad brush
bgz
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6 years ago
He seems reasonable. I don't agree with him on everything, but I certainly wouldn't call him an idiot.
victor809
6 years ago

He seems reasonable. I don't agree with him on everything, but I certainly wouldn't call him an idiot.

bgz wrote:



I dunno man, I've seen some quotes and videos from him. Not sure about that. He might have been on his best behavior for Rogan.... I'll try to dig some stuff up
victor809
6 years ago
Ben Shapiro tweets:
"There's a reason NYC continues to keep its curve crush: everybody died. There's a reason Texas and Florida have significantly lower death per million rate than NY. That's not covid-denial. That is simple fact."
(this is simply false. New york is enormous. The 33k dead is nowhere near "everybody". There's a lot of good possible reasons why the death rate is so much higher in NYC. That's not one of them)

"They should really go full China and arm those suckers with Hellfire missiles just to be sure"
This is in reference to the Australia using drones to track people not wearing masks and cars too far from homes.


"New York is good! Sweden is bad! Lockdowns are good! Not-lockdowns are bad! Repeat until true!"
Here he's comparing the deaths/MM of Sweden and NY State.... note, similar populations but sweden has about 4x the land space as NY State, and I'm betting not the same density of urban area.

And those are just from today.
He's got some video on youtube claiming half of all muslims in the world are "radicalized"
If you really want to gross yourself out, he's got a video of himself reading the lyrics to WAP. It's cringeworthy.... when he got mocked for it, he defended himself with some quote from his Dr wife, which either was a lie, or she's a terrible doctor.....

I dunno. I suppose in the current crop of right wing commentators, he might seem smart. But I cringe a bit every time I see something with his name on it.






victor809
6 years ago
Found a site that collects his quotes... some of these are gold:

"If you pay tuition, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. If you pay taxes, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. If your child majors in English, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda"

"Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock"

"Is Donald Trump the best Republican candidate for president out there? It would be tough to argue otherwise. He's got all the makings of a breakout star; he's got bravado and the cash to back it up"

"Renewable energy: dumbest phrase since climate change. See the first law of thermodynamics, dumbass."
(I find this one particularly reprehensible, as it's showing a misunderstanding of physics as well)

"There certainly is a war on Christianity, it’s coming from some people who are secular Jews, it’s coming from a lot of leftists. Most Jews in America don’t care about Judaism"

"Conservatives used to care too much about values and republicanism to buy ends-justify-the-means logic. But it increasingly appears that political expedience now outweighs basic morality. At least one side of the political spectrum seemed to care about truth. Now both sides are competing to see who can race to the bottom fastest."
(I mean, I get where he's coming from at the end here, but the fantasy that republicans were honest in his lifetime is laughable)

"So let's say — let's say for the sake of argument that all the water levels around the world rise by, let's say, five feet over the next hundred years, say ten feet over the next hundred years, and it puts all the low-lying areas on the coast underwater. Which — let's say all of that happens. You think that people aren't going to just sell their homes and move?"
heh.... yeah. That' property's gonna be super valuable underwater.

"You can't magically change your gender. You can’'t magically change your sex. You can’t magically change your age"
File this one under "unintentionally pro trans"?

"Okay, well, the fact is that if you had to work more than one job to have a roof over your head or food on the table, you probably shouldn't have taken the job that's not paying you enough. That'd be a you problem."

"There was a national apology for slavery. It was called the Civil War where 700,000 Americans died."
(I think the most insulting part of this statement is that he included the South in American Casualties)

And the best....
"Meanwhile, the polarization of the American public continues apace with wokescolds doing their best to ruin every aspect of American life. I'm very excited that Merriam-Webster Dictionary has now added the non-binary pronoun they to the dictionary. Because when I look at a book for definitions of words, what I want is a made-up definition of a word that has never been used this way in all of human history: a plural noun, used as a singular noun, to refer to a singular gender. We're gonna use a plural noun, and Merriam-Webster is gonna go along with this, which just demonstrates once and for all that logic has gone out the window. People are tailoring science to meet politically correct demands, people are tailoring language to meet politically correct demands."
bgz
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6 years ago
Man, you're determined. Back to the original one...

Bumped some WAP on my way to take care of some sh*t, I like it... I think the song is dope.

Then I watched the Shapiro segment... funny azz sh*t. Let's be real, Ben Shapiro looks like the Fighting Whiteys logo (it's real, look it up).

With that said, a prude Christian white boy reading Cardi B lyrics leaves a lot to mock (and I'm sure s lot of it was funny af). It doesn't necessarily make him stupid.

Also he has a target audience that doesn't require a lot of fact checking so there's that.

So you can throw line after line out, don't matter, I kinda like the guy. I'm sure a lot of those lines were tongue-in-cheek, so I can't really bash on him without context.

victor809
6 years ago
Meh.... you can like him. I still look at him as part of the problem (honestly, all "political commentators" are at this point however.)
RayR
6 years ago

To be fair to the idiot, he was directly quoting Menken. So you're kinda just arguing with a dead journalist here.

victor809 wrote:



Victor, when you have Mencken, one of the 20th Century's greatest writers and have someone need to have Mencken's snarky humour explained, there's a serious problem.

He wrote of the founding fathers and their natural distrust of democracy:
"They realized the essential weakness of democracy, and predicted some of its worst excesses – now unhappy and inescapable realities. They warned that giving the vote to incompetent, despairing and envious people would breed demagogues to rouse and rally them, and that the whole democratic process would thus be converted into organized pillage and plunder"

These are heretical words to the true believers in the God Democracy, but as inescapably true today in this 2020 election cycle as ever.
bgz
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6 years ago

Victor, when you have Mencken, one of the 20th Century's greatest writers and have someone need to have Mencken's snarky humour explained, there's a serious problem.

He wrote of the founding fathers and their natural distrust of democracy:
"They realized the essential weakness of democracy, and predicted some of its worst excesses – now unhappy and inescapable realities. They warned that giving the vote to incompetent, despairing and envious people would breed demagogues to rouse and rally them, and that the whole democratic process would thus be converted into organized pillage and plunder"

These are heretical words to the true believers in the God Democracy, but as inescapably true today in this 2020 election cycle as ever.

RayR wrote:



Your writing style is a bit cryptic, so I can't really tell... but it looks like you're a proponent of not allowing certain people to vote.
RayR
6 years ago

Pretty sure Shapiro is an idiot. But RayRay may still think he's a progressive... that seems to be a very broad brush

victor809 wrote:



Yes Victor, you're starting to catch on, Shapiro is not exactly admired in libertarian circles. His neoconservative progressiveness shows through. He sometimes morphs into a sometimes libertarian just as he morphed into a sometimes Trumper. The boy is a chameleon.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/07/jack-kerwick/ben-shapiro-alt-left-celebrity-extraordinaire/ 
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