Right again Victor. You see I don't as other libertarians and traditional conservatives pigeon hole people into simple caricatures. Progressivism has to be viewed broadly because it's a state of mind so you shouldn't be surprised when even a conservative criticizes another conservative, especially when they have that distasteful neoconservative streak like the previously mentioned Ben Shapiro. Their uber-partisan minds can go off into a parallel universe where their hatred for the left allows them to construct unhinged bizarre historical connections like trying to create a direct lineage of the Confederacy to the modern Democratic Party. Really crazy stuff and so progressive.
Paul Gottfried who is now Editor in Chief of Chronicles Magazine here takes on the "The Two Hansons" in a piece he wrote for LRC, as he starts off "It has long been apparent to me that there are two Victor Davis Hanson, a very perceptive observer of current events and a historian with large axes to grind...
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/08/paul-gottfried/comparisons-ii/ 

And more Gottfried on Hanson and his "half-truths and fictions" about European history.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/07/paul-gottfried/686477-2/ 

RayR wrote:

I give up... I can't continue on with someone that thinks everyone is a progressive, obviously hates progressives... and then claims to be the reasonable one who listens to people.

I think this is what happens when grey matter collapses. We're witnessing Hawking Radiation.

bgz wrote:

If you need a distilled explanation of toxic Progressive governance, it's BANS AND MANDATES, it's tyranny but wrapped up in the name of the greater good. I thought this is very a interesting partial list of what the current dictator wannabe and his token veep wishes upon America and its feckless proles.
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/08/14/unmasking-joe-bidens-and-kamala-harris-plans-to-control-americans/ 

I can understand that someone like yourself who loves Progressivism because its represents "progress", even if its progress to destination hell finds this list appealing.
Don't worry, I'm not expecting a rational reply other than the usually dismissiveness and weak personal attacks.

RayR wrote:

Ray Ray, just how long were you locked up in that outhouse before you found your way here ?

tonygraz wrote:

So you're an anarchist?

That's the only real explanation. If you think any time anyone tries to do anything, then they are a progressive, then you would prefer no government and no regulation what so ever.

You know what's weird? I actually agree with a lot of what libertarians believe... just not to the same level as you.

I believe in using limited regulation only when necessary (sh*tbags exist you know), you believe in no regulation.

I'm pro abortion, libertarians don't really gaf about it... but I'm pretty sure you do.

I'm 100% pro free speech, from what I've seen out of some "libertarians" lately... I'm not so sure they are. (it follows that I'm also pro second amendment, because I believe you need it to protect the first).

LGBTQ... I don't gaf, and neither should you... but I'm sure you do (if you do, you're not a libertarian).


I think libertarians turned into something crazier than it used to be over the last couple years.

Anyway, I could understand how someone like yourself thinks they understand someone like me... but I can assure you, you are incapable of understanding me because you simply don't have the proper neuron density.

Oh and you were right about one more thing... I will incessantly throw personal attacks your way because... well, because it's fun >:)

bgz wrote:

I am supposed to believe that you have any idea what an "anarchist" is or what a "libertarian" is outside of caricatures?
If you get your education from the mainstream media, especially on the right they'll describe the rioters and looters as "anarchists".

RayR wrote:

So you are saying the founding fathers were the worst sort and you believe the founding of the United States was wrong?

Speyside wrote:

...

I've already made my point... you just reinforced it.

bgz wrote:

Ray Ray I'm speaking directly to you based on part of your statements in 346.

Speyside wrote:

he would not be POTUS

delta1 wrote:

Oh Geez! Another one, I never thought that there could be so many progressives among cigar smokers of all people.
You guys probably believe in increasing taxes on cigars because "it's for the children".

Now its Progressiveness freed the slaves. LOL! Yes, women got the vote but progressiveness worked to deny the freed slaves the right to vote or put so many obstacles in their way to make them give up.

As Jim Ostrowski wrote:
"Progressivism is the widely held belief that positive state action, that is, force, can improve society. There wasn’t a clear notion of this concept so I wrote a book about it. As I explain in, progressivism is a not a rational or logical system of thought but a form of self-help therapy that makes the progressive feel better by providing a magical solution to all of the life’s problems: state action. The problem is that it doesn’t work and makes matters worse. However, since progressivism wasn’t conceived as a rational ideology in the first place, its failure doesn’t faze the progressive. Instead, they cling to its therapeutic value by inventing scapegoats for the problems caused by state action. They also construe any problem as an instance where not enough state action was used. Hence, the endless calls for more spending to rescue a long series of failed progressive programs such as the drug war, government schools or the interventions into."
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/10/james-ostrowski/progressive-heal-thyself/ 

Now lets move on to more current meltdown events and the legacy of Progressivism.
BLM and ANTIFA Marxist Orcs rampaging through the streets, rioting, looting (socialism without the middle man), burning, destroying private and public property, assaulting and even killing. They are the legacy of Progressivism, they are Progressivism's Rosemary's Baby. You can't disown them, your sicko progressive mayors, governors etc... even embrace them. Yes sir, that's called "Progress"!👍

RayR wrote: