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frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#341

Dg,

Religion and logic are a fools mix. You should stick to what you have read and stop pontificating.

Brewha wrote:

add some likker... it doesn't ever end well.

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#342

Biden has put his foot down. "No miracles coming." He has strictly forbidden it in his acceptance speech. I wouldn't be surprised at all if our Heavenly Father decides in mercy to disobey his ignorant knowledge claim of God's will.
But then he also said he believes we all have the right to life as God's creation but we know he proudly supports chopping and salting our most vulnerable citizens in the womb. So take Biden with salt.
He went on to wax religious with his light and darkness talk but the party of darkness has always been known. Hint- it's the party of child murder, slavery & lawlessness.
Beware Joe - if the light that is in you be darkness how great is that darkness!

MAGA

Dg west deptford wrote:

I'm pro abortion. From a scientific perspective... not murder. Just because you don't like it don't really mean sh*t. There's precedent in the supreme court. Changing that is about as likely as guns getting banned... it's not happening.

Not sure where you got slavery and lawlessness. Trump was buddies with the king kiddy pimp, not Joe... I mean he's got some skeletons himself, as do all candidates... but trump? ... lol

You seem to want it to go back to the dark ages... force everyone to believe for their own good... that's what it's about right? You hate atheists... those who don't believe.

You want to force your religion on Americans that have nothing to do with you. You claim it's murder to abort... I call it getting rid of an unwanted blob of bio-mass personally... and you wanting to force your "morals" on people. Not wanting to allow birth control because you believe your subjective opinion on the subject should be the last word on the matter.

Anyway, it doesn't bother me that Joe is a religious. Everyone has their faults.

Dg west deptford
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#343

I don't hate atheists, I don't even believe in them. There's really no such thing. There's only truth deniers, & my Lord loved them so much He died to save them. I certainly don't want to block contraceptives. That's not my thing,that would supposedly be Joe's thing though. The blob you speak of chopping and salting is a separate creation of DNA with heartbeat fingerprints and pain receptors just like yours. So I guess you're a blob we can chop up & burn with salt solution if you become inconvenient in our pursuit of happiness? I don't want to force my faith on anyone but I do feel the need to warn you, one day you will die. Then judgement, are you ready? You see it would be hateful and selfish of me not to share my faith and Glorify Our Savior.
But men loved the darkness because their deeds were evil

tonygraz
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#344

Please be hateful and selfish.

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#345

Lol he says he don't believe in atheists. Just close your eyes and wish us away...

You say we're truth deniers... I would consider us more truth seekers.

I ask what dominion do you believe your lord exists... do you believe it rules over all there is in the entire universe, or do you think it's local?

I imagine you just thought "what a stupid question", of course, there is only one, it rules over all there is (you probably said he though)... then you probably went something like ... "psshhh how dare he even consider the possibility the polytheists were correct"... wait, you probably didn't take it that far.

All there is... can you even comprehend how big "all there is"... is?

Are you are egocentric enough to believe a being who's dominion is the entirety of all there is... not just what you can see, but all there is... gives a flying f*ck about you? About someone like me? ... Who doesn't even care if it exists or not?

I think your concept of scale is a bit off. You can't look past the verses the mortal, human scribes cherry picked to keep their subjects in line roughly 500 years ago.

You seriously think those idiots knew more than we collectively know now?

Hate to break it to you... they didn't.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#346

Please be hateful and selfish.

tonygraz wrote:

😂

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#347

As long as they just keep their religion to themselves, I mostly just feel sorry for the religious.

They've been duped. Many of them because the idea of belonging to a group is significantly more important than logic.

It must be hard.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#348

The official meeting of the Republican National Convention (RNC) delegates Monday morning emphasized the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance after a committee and a caucus meeting omitted the words from the pledge during the Democratic National Convention (DNC).

The omission of "under God" from the two relatively minor events sparked a backlash from Republicans, including President Trump, and a flurry of fact-checks pointing out that in the four major broadcasts each night Democrats did use the words "under God." But Republicans have still said the omission by the individual speakers -- there was no party directive on the words -- in the two meetings represents a disrespect Democrats have for people of faith.

"Two Democrat Caucus Meetings removed 'UNDER GOD' from the Pledge of Allegiance. It sounded not only strange, but terrible. That’s where they’re coming from!" Trump tweeted Sunday.

"At the Democrat National Convention, we know that at least two caucuses removed two words -- "under God" -- from the Pledge of Allegiance. We know too that at a previous Democrat convention, a recent one, the word "God" was almost totally removed from their platform. That could not, would not, ever happen here," Peter Goldberg, a delegate from Alaska, said to applause at Republicans' Monday morning meeting before leading the pledge.

"We know as Republicans that America must put its full trust and faith in that God, in order to do so so that every American citizen can have the blessings of security, the opportunity for prosperity and the ability to enjoy all of those freedoms that are enshrined in that divinely inspired document the Constitution of the United States of America."

Film at 11.... 😟

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

6 years ago

#349

Victor, the odds of a greater sentient power forming the earth are approximately zero. Aren't the odd of the earth randomly forming also approximately zero? In truth I have never really checked for either so I am only assuming.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#350

Speyside wrote:

Not really.
One set of odds scales at least. As our view of the universe improves, and our ability to see just how many galaxies there are, just within our visible range, and how many stars there are in each galaxy that keeps increasing the number of times the "dice were rolled". Even something with very low odds of occurring will happen many times given both sufficient potential locations, and sufficient time.

However, a deity doesn't increase in probability with an expanded understanding of the universe.

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

6 years ago

#351

I follow that but it doesn't really address my thought. If we go from 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 to 10 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 the number is still approximately 0. And let's not use the term deity, I know that was the direction of the flow here, but I simply am talking about a greater sentient energy for lack of a better term. If that force is creating the universe conceptually the discussion would be different, but it seems to me the odds would be similar and approximately 0.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#352

Speyside wrote:

But you aren't only increasing by a magnitude of 10.

the odds of random formation of the earth might be very low (like your 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000) but that's in a single instance.

There are 10,000,000,000 galaxies in the currently observable universe.
There are estimated to be 100,000,000,000 stars in each galaxy.

That means in the observable universe, there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 potential single instances of occurrence.

Now, also remember time. an improbable occurrence not occurring right now, might happen in the next second.
The observable universe is over 10,000,000,000 years in age. And that's just what we can see through the speed of light.

That gives a huge number of potential instances for things to occur over an enormous space and with a huge number of energy and gravity centers.

This is the entire meaning behind the Fermi paradox.... with so much time, and so much matter, the odds of life being created become so high that the question begins to be "why haven't we run into another yet", rather than marveling at our creation as being some miracle.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#353

I have never felt that science was at odds with God. It is plausible that what we observe is merely the mechanisms he chose. I mean, He is purported to exist outside of time-space as we know it. So his actions should appear to be ordinate.

That said, the greatest proof for the existence or not of God is the human need for death defying beliefs that ease the burden of our mortality. These beliefs exist in various forms in every culture.

But in the end - no one really knows.....

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#354

That's my story... I don't know what happens to you when you die, and neither does anyone else.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#355

victor809 wrote:

Very well stated.

But one can't (or shouldn't) dismiss the premise that just because "life" could have been created spontaneously that it somehow proves a deity can't exist.
And this doesn't address the simplest query of all. Forget about life. why is there even a universe at all?

I think we're in the wrong smoking forum to discuss any further.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#356

That's my story... I don't know what happens to you when you die, and neither does anyone else.

bgz wrote:

A true atheist would insist that nothing happens. You die. It's over. End of story.
You've left a door open here.
Was it on purpose, or subconsciously?

CelticBomber
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#357

A true atheist would insist that nothing happens. You die. It's over. End of story.
You've left a door open here.
Was it on purpose, or subconsciously?

tailgater wrote:

Actually, that's not correct. A true atheist making claims that they know nothing happens is no different than a religious person claiming to know what happens. Saying "I don't know." is an honest answer.

Whatever happens must be good though since no one seems to want to come back.

CelticBomber
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#358

I think we're in the wrong smoking forum to discuss any further.

tailgater wrote:

If you ever jumped on a Vherf you'd know this is exactly the right forum.... bunch of potheads. The running joke is how did we all not meet on a marijuana forum?

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#359

If you ever jumped on a Vherf you'd know this is exactly the right forum.... bunch of potheads. The running joke is how did we all not meet on a marijuana forum?

CelticBomber wrote:

This is true. I've been on and been the only fuxker smoking a cigar. Everyone else is high.

And I'm the one who's been accused of not being a cigar smoker.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#360

tailgater wrote:

I'm not using the probability of spontaneous life as a proof against the existence of a deity.
The lack of proof of a deity, and the near zero probability that any single specific deity exists makes deities irrelevant.

My only point was that the probability of "earth" coming into existence through basic forces of physics and chemistry scales with the complexity of the universe, while the probability of a deity does not scale (as the tenets of the deities generally specify that they are singular).

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