Dg west deptford
6 years ago
Very interesting, this is a rabbit hole I'll go down. What's your day job?
Then we'll get back to your belief about logic. I'm sure we can agree on a suitable definition of the car Schroeder's cat won't stay put
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6 years ago

Very interesting, this is a rabbit hole I'll go down. What's your day job?
Then we'll get back to your belief about logic. I'm sure we can agree on a suitable definition of the car Schroeder's cat won't stay put

Dg west deptford wrote:



I'm a computer programmer, I write logical statements all day long. I know, sounds boring to most people.

Schrödinger's cat will stay put if you give it enough drugs...
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6 years ago
lol... that just cracked me thinking about it, if you get a cat stoned before you put in the box with a quantum kill switch...

Then it just makes the experiment way more entertaining.
frankj1
6 years ago

I'm a computer programmer, I write logical statements all day long. I know, sounds boring to most people.

Schrödinger's cat will stay put if you give it enough drugs...

bgz wrote:


sharing is caring

you know where this ends...never.
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
How's this for a defintion we can move forward with
Logic: the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning.
Or
: a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning
frankj1
6 years ago
are you a one-call closer in your remodeling business?
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
Not sure what that means? I'm no Sales man, I mostly try to talk people out of what they want. My mode of salesman is to price it in line items. If they sign ok if not, even better.
Too busy for sales tactics these days.
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6 years ago
Dude... stop... stop...

Here's something I believe... I believe in no universe in which you and I are having this conversation would you ever be able to prove to me that "your god" exists using logic.

I just told you why it won't work, I gave you some good snippets of some things that I do believe in... but yet you persist.

You've asked a bunch of questions of me... let me ask you a few questions.

How far in math did you go?

Were you indoctrinated or are you a convert?

You of Catholic more fundamental faith, or you a more Evangelical?

If you're a born again, you ever hit rock bottom?

You ever sit around with your wife and compete in solving math problems?

You want to know another weird thing? I like mythology, the stories are fun. Watching Lucifer on Netflix right now!!! Well, not now... watching the Laker game while I type to you right now.. just sayin.
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
Having thought about your question Frank I think what your saying is I should let bgz simmer where we are and not bring this to it's very near conclusion.
Ok good advice, it's late. to be continued I hope
Bgz is way more fun than Vic
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
Huh, so your a logic guy for a living but you won't be admitting to believing in universal unchanging logic?
Fascinating!
I'm terrible at math but I was really good as a drug dealer Which does require some math. Also very good with odds and outs when it comes to betting in poker.
Converted at 18 very rock bottom. Miraculous conversion story I'll spare you for the moment. But yeah born again.
If poker counts as solving math problems (it does) then yep.
I love mythology but Lucifer isn't mythology. Sure the Netflix version is but you could pick up Job, Genesis, Ezekiel, Isaiah, the gospels, or Revelations for the real story.
Now that's Good!
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6 years ago
I've read the beginning, the end and bits and pieces... I started out indoctrinated, I went the other direction... just lucky the indoctrination wasn't really enforced;)

I consider it all mythology...

I look at it all the same way you look at Zeuse or Ra.

Just think how you would think if someone told you they believe in the greek gods of old... that's how I think of it all.

Dg west deptford
6 years ago
I'm so glad I grew up a plain old sinner. I find religious upbringing to be woefully inoculating to truth.
So you believe nothing created everything? That's crazier than Zeus, Ra or Aliens for sure!
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6 years ago


So you believe nothing created everything?

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Uh... not quite...
frankj1
6 years ago
the person asking the questions controls the interview, or the sales process.
One -call closers do it best.
Cult leaders and recruiters are even better
bgz
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6 years ago

the person asking the questions controls the interview, or the sales process.
One -call closers do it best.
Cult leaders and recruiters are even better

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Easiest sh*t to sell is fear, uncertainty and doubt... and p*ssy... that stuff flies off the shelf... and drugs... can't forget drugs.

Nm, they're all part of the same set.

Fudd sells!
tonygraz
6 years ago

I'm so glad I grew up a plain old sinner. I find religious upbringing to be woefully inoculating to truth.
So you believe nothing created everything? That's crazier than Zeus, Ra or Aliens for sure!

Dg west deptford wrote:



Perhaps you believe someone created everything - but where and when did that someone or something come from ?
victor809
6 years ago


I could give you great evidence for God. The peer reviewed science coming out of the institute for creation research (www.icr.org)is awesome! But if I give you evidence I elevate you to the position of Judge and who's on trial? The Lord of Glory. So I won't give you evidence for something you already know but deny because you don't want to be accountable to a Holy, loving Creator.

Dg west deptford wrote:



Is no one going to touch this? "Peer reviewed science" that gives evidence of god....?
RayR
6 years ago

Is no one going to touch this? "Peer reviewed science" that gives evidence of god....?

victor809 wrote:



Actually I was waiting for the peer reviewed science that proves there is no master plan of the universe, that there is no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever. Of course to do that would discredit the scientists themselves as frauds since their premise would have to start with there is no truth, therefore no science at all, so whatever these self important, self deified experts, these puny humans propose is bunk by their own definition.

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6 years ago

Is no one going to touch this? "Peer reviewed science" that gives evidence of god....?

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You act like he's in your weight class.
bgz
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6 years ago

Actually I was waiting for the peer reviewed science that proves there is no master plan of the universe, that there is no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever. Of course to do that would discredit the scientists themselves as frauds since their premise would have to start with there is no truth, therefore no science at all, so whatever these self important, self deified experts, these puny humans propose is bunk by their own definition.

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I would like to see you and dw argue about something.
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