rfenst
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5 years ago
The latest New York Times/Siena College poll showed Joe Biden to be leading President Trump in four important swing states. But it also showed how Biden could lose the election.

If the campaign is a referendum on the coronavirus, Trump will probably lose. The U.S. has suffered more than almost any other rich country, as many voters realize. When new outbreaks were exploding this summer, Biden’s lead grew to almost 10 percentage points.

But the other issue that’s dominated the news in recent months — the combination of police violence, racial injustice, peaceful protests and rising crime in many cities — is more politically complicated. It has the potential to hurt both Trump and Biden, in different ways. And so far, Biden has not managed to send voters a persuasive message that protects his vulnerabilities.

Perhaps the most surprising finding from the poll was this: In the four swing states — Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire and Wisconsin — a larger share of voters said “addressing law and order” was a more important campaign issue to them than said “addressing the coronavirus pandemic” was.

On first glance, these law-and-order concerns may still seem to help Biden. More voters trust him to do a better job on several related issues — including violent crime, unifying the country and handling the protests — than trust Trump. But it’s not quite that simple.

Remember: Most Americans have already made up their minds about the election. Their answers to poll questions about which candidate they trust on specific issues are almost meaningless at this point. The bigger issue is how undecided and uncommitted voters feel.

Biden’s problem is that, on the broad issues of crime and policing, he appears to have a larger group of soft supporters — people who could flip — than Trump does. As Nate Cohn, a Times reporter who helped oversee the poll, told me, “There is definitely some Biden support with worry about crime.” Those worries span Black, Latino and white voters.

Biden does have potential ways to address these weaknesses. A large share of people say they think he supports defunding the police — a position Biden rejects but one he evidently has not been clear enough about. (The vagueness of “defund the police,” and whether it means abolish or reduce police funding, is part of his challenge.) A majority of poll respondents also said Biden “hasn’t done enough to condemn violent rioting.” Even 27 percent of his own supporters gave that answer.

Every political campaign is a mixture of offense and defense. For Biden, there are obvious ways to go on the offense — about the virus, Biden’s economic agenda, Trump’s inflaming of racism and his incitement of chaos during protests. But the complex swirl of issues around those protests, including violence and the future of policing, also creates some problems for Biden.

He hasn’t yet solved them. That’s one reason that the campaign has not turned into the rout that seemed possible this summer.

NYT
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago
Vulnerabilities?

Biden?


[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]
Mr. Jones
5 years ago
His biggest vunerability?

He orders "GREENLIGHTS" ON INNOCENT U.S. TARGETED INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS...and he is a first DEGREE MURDERER along with Barry and Comey...

He's a PREMEDITATED FIRST CLASS FELON AND SHOULD BE IN JAIL...

VOTE TRUMP.
tonygraz
5 years ago
Jones has obviously been indoctrinated during his years at trump University.
opelmanta1900
5 years ago
"The U.S. has suffered more than almost any other rich country, as many voters realize."


What an absolutely vile f*cking statement...
Smooth light
5 years ago
More Monday quarterbacking.

SO you knew everything about C-19 before any one else, shame on you for not curing US!
frankj1
5 years ago
been reading bits about Biden not pushing harder for the Latino vote which could be more important than ever if they turn out heavily this time...Bernie has especially spoken out about Biden's need to address this. Bernie did well with that group as you may recall.

Still feels like Trump wins to me, in similar ways as 2016. Not easy to remove a sitting POTUS, tougher still when the nation faces crises.
rfenst
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5 years ago

Still feels like Trump wins to me....

frankj1 wrote:


I agree
HockeyDad
5 years ago
Naw....Biden’s got this in the bag.
Smooth light
5 years ago
A way to excape the basement,hide in a bag , out with the trash. Dementia, he's all must over the edge.

Keep believing

Brain salad surgery, appointment take a number please

Hehehe

opelmanta1900
5 years ago

A way to excape the basement,hide in a bag , out with the trash. Dementia, he's all must over the edge.

Keep believing

Brain salad surgery, appointment take a number please

Hehehe

Smooth light wrote:


Ok, this guy might actually be Biden...
Stogie1020
5 years ago
Waiting for that first debate without teleprompters for the "basement man"...
MACS
5 years ago
https://tinyurl.com/yyrg2cjr 

^That's the guy some people want to elect to run the USA. Clearly he has dementia.
Stogie1020
5 years ago

https://tinyurl.com/yyrg2cjr

^That's the guy some people want to elect to run the USA. Clearly he has dementia.

MACS wrote:



I think it's pretty clear he has no likelihood of serving four years... He (or his people) plan for him to abdicate.

I mean, the White House only has so much soft food and phonographs. He will have to go.
MACS
delta1
5 years ago
I dunno...but I think most of the country is fatigued from the 3 and a half years of a self absorbed, belligerent, con-man drama queen POTUS...the latest Woodward recordings have clearly exposed what most Americans, except his base, suspected from the beginning...Trump's own words show his disdain and disregard for the health and well-being of average Americans...


if not for all of Trump's personal flaws and character issues, he'd be unbeatable...as much as his supporters (about 40% of Americans) are willing to over-look the obvious leadership failings, there are nearly 60% of Americans who are not Trump supporters and who see Trump as an unlikable bully, undeserving of four more years...

the choice will be Bozo vs Pennywise...Americans will go with the likable clown almost every the time


Biden by a huge margin of popular votes and a slim majority of electoral votes...an all-time high voter turnout...
RayR
5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pe_yVNIJQ

MACS wrote:



Michigan....Military. Well they both start with an M, honest mistake.🌫
So all those big numbers on a piece of confuse him..#-o .
ZRX1200
5 years ago
Vote JoJo2020!!!
Smooth light
5 years ago
Taxidermy , they'll make you think he's alive and well when he is dead. Their just practicing now! 😏
delta1
5 years ago
208 Weekends at Bernie's!
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