Whistlebritches
5 years ago
All men are NOT created equal.........Let's look at Frankie Tripod vs TW.

I rest my case
Speyside
5 years ago
What do you think I meant by the second sentence. I think you may have misconstrued my meaning.
ZRX1200
5 years ago
Thank you Samuel Colt.
Smooth light
5 years ago
It kinda describes, disire and willpower and the freedom choose. We are created equal to do that.
tonygraz
5 years ago

Thank you Samuel Colt.

ZRX1200 wrote:



When I worked at Colt Firearms, there was a water cooler on the 2nd floor that was out of order for about 2 years.I found and old piece of paper and wrote a note on it and put it on the water cooler. "out of order- Sam Colt, june 1856".
Maintenance did quite an investigation as to who wrote the note and after a week or so it was repaired. Sam could get things done.
ZRX1200
5 years ago
You should have shot it with a slap round.
Speyside
5 years ago
Ok, I think you are referring to the sentence For me it doesn't make sense because clearly all me are not equal. Each person has a different level of intelligence, common sense, physical strength and so on. Our minds are unique to each of us. We have different abilities and capabilities.
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago
https://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2020/07/01/meaning-declaratnce-changed-time/  that is the article I found this in. I just started trying to work through this thought that has been percolating in my mind. What was the original meaning of that line? For me it doesn't make sense because clearly all men are not equal.



One man's interpretation and not Jefferson's.


Kinda looking for his.

Makes a difference. If you're hunting for a ghost you'll find one.
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago

https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s61.html. This letter started my thinking upon this.

Speyside wrote:



Not sure how you got there from this.

"If we do not think exactly alike as to it's imperfections, it matters little to our country which, after devoting to it long lives of disinterested labor, we have delivered over to our successors in life, who will be able to take care of it, and of themselves."

Really cements in what I've often thought about the Founders. They KNEW it wasn't perfect. They had hope that Man would take their creation and make it better. Instead, everyone isn't thinking interpretation with rose colored glasses.
RayR
5 years ago
https://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2020/07/01/meaning-declaratnce-changed-time/  that is the article I found this in. I just started trying to work through this thought that has been percolating in my mind. What was the original meaning of that line? For me it doesn't make sense because clearly all men are not equal.



So MELISSA DE WITTE wrote:

"When Jefferson wrote “all men are created equal” in the preamble to the Declaration, he was not talking about individual equality. What he really meant was that the American colonists, as a people, had the same rights of self-government as other peoples, and hence could declare independence, create new governments and assume their “separate and equal station” among other nations. But after the Revolution succeeded, Americans began reading that famous phrase another way. It now became a statement of individual equality that everyone and every member of a deprived group could claim for himself or herself. With each passing generation, our notion of who that statement covers has expanded. It is that promise of equality that has always defined our constitutional creed."

This echos exactly what Dr. Brion McClanahan has been teaching forever. Jefferson was no pie in the sky egalitarian. He was a decentralizer, he was always for self-government by smaller and smaller groups working things out on their own, which is the way the colonies operated largely up until King George and the parliament started pissing them off
Jefferson and others wanted no aristocrats or dicktators ruling over everyone from palaces in a central capital city., There is no amorphous blob called the people of the United States, in his time especially the "free and independent states" best represented unique regional cultures that demanded self-government on their terms. Nobody but the misnamed "federalists" wanted anything to do with emulating anything like the European crowns.

Dishonest Abe and others perverted the original meaning of “all men are created equal”. In the Gettysburg Address, saying "Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal". Rubbish! The forefathers did not bring forth a new nation, they brought forth 13 free and independent states. That nationalist "proposition nation" crap doesn't hold water.
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago
I for one would like to propose a new rule... original thoughts only!!!

Nobody wants to read a big copy and paste job.
RayR
5 years ago

I for one would like to propose a new rule... original thoughts only!!!

Nobody wants to read a big copy and paste job.

bgz wrote:



Unfortunately for you, there is nothing new under the sun. There is nothing that hasn't been thought, said, written, or debated before, by those dead or alive. Still, there are many people who can't hear, read, or haven't critically thought about anything. They were told the world was flat, so they just accepted blindly that the world is flat.
So you must suffer the "big copy and paste job".
bgz
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5 years ago
Actually I don't read 98.2% of the sh*t you paste.
RayR
5 years ago

Actually I don't read 98.2% of the sh*t you paste.

bgz wrote:



Yes, I know it's part of the progressive gospel..."ignorance is bliss".
bgz
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5 years ago
Has more to do with being too lazy to click the link... or to try to find seem from where the bad copy job begins, and your twisted commentary begins... so it's easier to just read the last sentence to see what your position is then argue accordingly.
RayR
5 years ago

Has more to do with being too lazy to click the link... or to try to find seem from where the bad copy job begins, and your twisted commentary begins... so it's easier to just read the last sentence to see what your position is then argue accordingly.

bgz wrote:



I told you to stop smoking weed 24/7, that's what makes you too lazy to click the link.
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago
Let me rephrase that... it's more a prioritization of time.... ironically, about the only way I WILL click it is if I happen to be puffing down at that point... but I'm usually not, so I usually don't.


Weird right? You would think it would be the other way.
RayR
5 years ago
I will agree that you are weird.
Brewha
5 years ago

All free men can choose to be a slave or are they not free to choose?

Dg west deptford wrote:


No.
No, not so much….
RayR
5 years ago
That's what Biden said, you can only be a slave, it's patriotic.
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