izonfire
5 years ago

Serious question for my Jewish brothers... (Frank and Robert, and no offense is intended or implied)

Neither of you actually believe in God, am I right? (If I am wrong, my apologies)

If that's the case, what's the point in following a tradition you don't believe in?

MACS wrote:


They believe in God.
They just don't believe that the Baby Jesus is our Lord and Savior.

Poor poor baby Jesus...
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Best wishes for the High Holy Days for my JBuds.
Whistlebritches
5 years ago

Serious question for my Jewish brothers... (Frank and Robert, and no offense is intended or implied)

Neither of you actually believe in God, am I right? (If I am wrong, my apologies)

If that's the case, what's the point in following a tradition you don't believe in?

MACS wrote:




To simplify they do not believe the second coming has happened yet.But when it does they will accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

I wish I knew who was right but since they are God's chosen people maybe it doesn't matter...................since I am not a Jew I'm gonna bank on the New Testament
frankj1
5 years ago

Serious question for my Jewish brothers... (Frank and Robert, and no offense is intended or implied)

Neither of you actually believe in God, am I right? (If I am wrong, my apologies)

If that's the case, what's the point in following a tradition you don't believe in?

MACS wrote:


First of all, Happy New Year, my friend.
Second, you never have to apologize to me for questions like these.

I wish the first simple yes no question could be answered with a simple yes or no, at least for me personally.
I simply don't know, but I figure if there is something beyond I'll find out eventually.
And I may have reason to decide before my demise, but I can not know that currently.
I understand the "faith" so many of my friends share in their religious beliefs, and I am sincerely happy for them that it answers some questions with which I continue to struggle.

I'll apologize up front for an unsatisfactory response to the second question.

I believe that Judaism is a bloodline. We do not proselytize, we even make it difficult for people to convert.
For me, the traditions have existed for at least a couple of millenium (millenia?) and provide a sense of having traceable roots to the beginning of recorded history. That brings an enormous responsibility for care taking with it, if one is willing to appreciate that history.

I am willing.

I see so many without this foundation, this blessing, upon which to build their lives and families that I simply do not want to be the last of us on Earth. Truly, it is an advantage in many ways.

I'm not sure how to properly use the word "diaspora", but we have been the victims of it for centuries, yet the common bond could never die, could not be extinguished, despite the best/worst efforts of many otherwise successful civilizations. That bond is all about our traditions, for many of us that includes strong faith, but I've never been given a litmus test by any Rabbi in my life.

I am intimately aware of the sacrifices of more recent generations on both sides of my family. But I do not have a family tree that goes much further back than the mid/late 1800's. I'm certain it is a repeat of the lives of my family since then.

Knowing what my grandparents and great grandparents endured to make it possible for me to live this great American life, and to reclaim the modern State of Israel, I can not fathom turning away from the traditions they kept alive against the greatest of odds.



frankj1
5 years ago

To simplify they do not believe the second coming has happened yet.But when it does they will accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

I wish I knew who was right but since they are God's chosen people maybe it doesn't matter...................since I am not a Jew I'm gonna bank on the New Testament

Whistlebritches wrote:


Absolutely bank on your faith, Ron. It's part of your strength that has made me admire you, trust you, and cherish our friendship.

You and so many others!

I'd like to add a distinction of words to clarify the Jewish thoughts to your first sentence though...I'm certain that other Jews may find my understanding to be incorrect, but here's how I think it goes.

Devout Jews (I should not presume to speak for them!) believe that The Messiah was to appear but once, and the rest of the promises would ensue.

So by definition to those who follow only the Old Testament, it simply could not have happened yet, and so we wait for the Messiah.

I suppose the best ending would be if both beliefs are correct, but what would we do with all the Buddhists, Hindus, Liberals...HA!
izonfire
5 years ago
Would be easier to bank on my faith if I was Jewish…
frankj1
5 years ago

Would be easier to bank on my faith if I was Jewish…

izonfire wrote:


don't forget the dentists.
izonfire
5 years ago
Like pulling teeth…
frankj1
5 years ago
lucky for you I have nine days to try to forgive you
MACS
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5 years ago
Thank you, Frank. That answered my question well, sir. It was just my curious nature, so I had to ask. "None of your damn business" would have also been acceptable. HA!

I respect and appreciate your desire to keep the tradition going for your family's sake.
frankj1
5 years ago

Thank you, Frank. That answered my question well, sir. It was just my curious nature, so I had to ask. "None of your damn business" would have also been acceptable. HA!

I respect and appreciate your desire to keep the tradition going for your family's sake.

MACS wrote:


now ya tell me "none of your business" would have worked?
I'm exhausted.
izonfire
5 years ago

lucky for you I have nine days to try to forgive you

frankj1 wrote:


Won't have many teeth left...
8trackdisco
5 years ago

Like pulling teeth…

izonfire wrote:



Don’t be an anti-dentite bassard.
8trackdisco
5 years ago
Beat Dan to Wednesday’s welcome.
danmdevries
5 years ago

Beat Dan to Wednesday’s welcome.

8trackdisco wrote:



Barely.

HHD Ram n dudes
8trackdisco
5 years ago
Crispy morning. 57 heading to a high of 70.
deadeyedick
5 years ago
Not so crispy 83/105. But my face is getting crispy and I assume it will eventually fall off.
MACS
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5 years ago
Currently 64 headed to 95.

Water temps have been unseasonably low and the pelagic fish we hunt have been conspicuously absent recently. Buddies and I prepared ourselves for some rock fishing and a couple boats reported finding yellowfin tuna within our range.

Unfortunately... the guy with the boat has to work. 🤦

We have to wait until Sunday to try our luck.
danmdevries
5 years ago
Getting antsy to get up to the track. But I gotta get some sleep. I'd like to leave tonight but I've got nothing ready yet. If work hadn't fuxed up my schedule I've been there yesterday.

Notthe1
5 years ago
Two Hundred Thirty NINE!!
Notthe1
5 years ago
Still silly, but enjoyable.

Good morning all.

New day, Same stuff.

Coffee, work, then cigar.
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