Poll Question: What is the biggest obstacle to lessening division
RayR
4 years ago
Axl is a dumb azz then man.

So he wants us to hold hands and sing a song?
BuckyB93
4 years ago

You could just read excerpts from your biography: "trails in the sand."

tailgater wrote:



I read the pre-release cliff notes of that book.

Wandering the desert for 40 yrs... dragging the third leg... Talk about a raw burn in biblical proportions that he had to suffer through on such a tender appendage. I would almost rather be crucified.
frankj1
4 years ago

Yeah, where's the post where I did that?

DrMaddVibe wrote:


you voted for Trump when he lost.
You did not vote at all when he won but appointed yourself a front runner and scorner of those who were not fooled by the Grifter in Charge.

Yeah, lecture those who actually voted, tell them that they voted wrong when you passed altogether.
Hard to listen to the one who says do what I say, not what I do.
Hypocrisy.

And you chase me around claiming you know my votes?
Even weirder.

Want to claim you voted both times? You wanna minute to think about it?
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Death is nature's way of saying, "Your table's ready."
- RW
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

you voted for Trump when he lost.

frankj1 wrote:



So?

You did not vote at all when he won but appointed yourself a front runner and scorner of those who were not fooled by the Grifter in Charge.

frankj1 wrote:



I haven't appointed myself of anything. It's called Free Speech. You don't have to like what I say. I might not like what you have to say, but I've defended your right to say it.

Yeah, lecture those who actually voted, tell them that they voted wrong when you passed altogether.
Hard to listen to the one who says do what I say, not what I do.
Hypocrisy.

frankj1 wrote:



Lecture? That would imply that you're listening and learning. You haven't shown that to me. You're still stuck in the mud.

And you chase me around claiming you know my votes?
Even weirder.

frankj1 wrote:



I don't chase you. At all. I find that rather funny. BOO!

Want to claim you voted both times? You wanna minute to think about it?

frankj1 wrote:



I don't need a minute. You know the EXACT reason why I didn't vote for him in the 1st election. Are you going to play stupid for everyone here again and act like you don't know?

frankj1
4 years ago
you kept insisting I voted for Biden. Dropped hints here and there, I ignored most.
But that's an incorrect assumption.

Had I actually believed in him, I would have gladly done so. Wish I could have in fact.
But I had doubts he was up to the mess the 2020 winner would inherit.

As a registered "unenrolled" (used to be "independent" in MA but now that's a party I guess) I'm far likelier to go Democrat, but I can't support them with the wildly progressive growth happening...though it's no surprise some progressive stuff is not distasteful to me, I am a left of center Liberal on many issues after all.
But locally, I'm even looking to get involved to unseat Pressley. Thinking about it at least. Not sure if it comes down to simply campaigning for an opponent but that's not a draw for me.

So I went 3rd party again for reasons stated a few times.
Wish you had done the same in 2016.

You knew I'd remember WHY you passed, HA!- we actually had some good interaction back then...we both despised Hillary and neither took Trump seriously blah blah blah.
Again, I wish just 1.5 out of 10 voters who hate the major party choices weren't being told 3rd party has no chance so it's a wasted vote. Having no chance does not mean no effect.

I'd rather 5 parties than 2. I'll settle for 3 though.

I'm hardly stupid, I'm also fairly confident most here would say the same of me. I do better than simply survive here for a reason despite being in the vast minority of political opinion.
I am more civil than you, probably more open minded, but at the same time I do know you have and would defend my right to say even dumb chit, and I have and will return the courtesy.
RayR
4 years ago
So....You now you admit you're a disgruntled LEFTY ? 🤨
frankj1
4 years ago

So....You now you admit I have no idea what others really believe because I am close minded? :-s

RayR wrote:


guilty as charged.
ZRX1200
  • ZRX1200
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
4 years ago
frankj1
4 years ago

I tried.

ZRX1200 wrote:


little did you know I flunked Philosophy 101.
Missed the final cuz I went to a 3 day party somewhere near Kutztown State College with a buddy from Bethlehem PA.
His dad was filthy rich and sent a single engine plane that picked us up somewhere near Seneca Falls NY (we were "attending" Eisenhower College 1971) and flew us to Lancaster PA (before Mr Jones saved the planet) and had a new BMW waiting for us to complete the trip.

To this day, I feel it was worth it. Woulda killed my kids if they did it.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
4 years ago

little did you know I flunked Philosophy 101.
Missed the final cuz I went to a 3 day party somewhere near Kutztown State College with a buddy from Bethlehem PA.
His dad was filthy rich and sent a single engine plane that picked us up somewhere near Seneca Falls NY (we were "attending" Eisenhower College 1971) and flew us to Lancaster PA (before Mr Jones saved the planet) and had a new BMW waiting for us to complete the trip.

To this day, I feel it was worth it. Woulda killed my kids if they did it.

frankj1 wrote:



Worth it.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

So I went 3rd party again for reasons stated a few times.
Wish you had done the same in 2016.

frankj1 wrote:



Gary Johnson?

Look, I have zero respect for a Libertarian that shows up to a debate or a TV interview and they're stoned out of their mind. Gary couldn't help himself either. I couldn't tell if he was trying too hard to be cool or just didn't GAF but letting a guy that couldn't answer basic geography or topics of the day questions off the cuff...naw. If he couldn't take himself seriously, there's no way I would take him seriously. Personally, I fell he doomed the 3rd party with his behavior. Jill didn't help much either.






RayR
4 years ago

guilty as charged.

frankj1 wrote:



AHHA!

Don't be coy with me playing with my wurds!

Your wurds:

"some progressive stuff is not distasteful to me, I am a left of center Liberal on many issues after all."

"I'm far likelier to go Democrat"


Wurds have meaning...LEFTY!
Now we know why you cringe when I call the LEFT Evil!
Now we know that you only vote Libertarian as a protest vote because the far left is too icky even for you!
Now we know why you hate Lew Rockwell, because he is Against The Left.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/08/lew-rockwell/against-the-left/ 

You can't identify as a libertarian or an old right conservative because we are against the left in principle, none of that left-of-center sissy pants stuff!. [whip]




bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
4 years ago
I identify as no party affiliation out of principle.
RayR
4 years ago

I identify as no party affiliation out of principle.

bgz wrote:



Party affiliation or not means nothing.
But it's too late for that canard, we know you have no principles.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
4 years ago
But I do... you all a bunch of shady mother f*ckers.... I don't choose sides.
RayR
4 years ago

But I do... you all a bunch of shady mother f*ckers.... I don't choose sides.

bgz wrote:



But I do choose sides, I'm against the LEFT.
If anyone wants to start an argument, I'll be opposing the left-liberals, left-conservatives (neocons), and left-libertarians.
frankj1
4 years ago

Gary Johnson?

Look, I have zero respect for a Libertarian that shows up to a debate or a TV interview and they're stoned out of their mind. Gary couldn't help himself either. I couldn't tell if he was trying too hard to be cool or just didn't GAF but letting a guy that couldn't answer basic geography or topics of the day questions off the cuff...naw. If he couldn't take himself seriously, there's no way I would take him seriously. Personally, I fell he doomed the 3rd party with his behavior. Jill didn't help much either.






DrMaddVibe wrote:


but don't you see that Johnson wasn't being voted for to win, the 15% could have helped to plant seeds for a real party that could nominate a real candidate 4 or 8 years later.

We're still where we were when you were turned off enough to even participate in the process.
frankj1
4 years ago

AHHA!

Don't be coy with me playing with my wurds!

Your wurds:

"some progressive stuff is not distasteful to me, I am a left of center Liberal on many issues after all."

"I'm far likelier to go Democrat"


Wurds have meaning...LEFTY!
Now we know why you cringe when I call the LEFT Evil!
Now we know that you only vote Libertarian as a protest vote because the far left is too icky even for you!
Now we know why you hate Lew Rockwell, because he is Against The Left.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/08/lew-rockwell/against-the-left/ 

You can't identify as a libertarian or an old right conservative because we are against the left in principle, none of that left-of-center sissy pants stuff!. [whip]




RayR wrote:


couple of things before I dismiss you.

I believe what I believe, and I would not go against change if it was demonstrably better than what I had supported.
I seek solutions, and while knowing no side can always be right (or always be wrong) I listen.
I am not a controlled dogmatic one note like you, clinging to a philosophy despite the reality of life in this world.

Also not remotely offended being called LEFTY...whatever are you thinking that accomplishes?
You neither make me nor others cringe.
Your opinions are basically inconsequential outside of a classroom discussion.

Now you are dismissed.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
4 years ago

But I do choose sides, I'm against the LEFT.
If anyone wants to start an argument, I'll be opposing the left-liberals, left-conservatives (neocons), and left-libertarians.

RayR wrote:



Meh... all you political nuts look the same to me.
Users browsing this topic