I dunno Gene - the law against incandescent lightbulbs worked. Leaded gas too.
Besides, something has to be done.

The pilot program for home Virtual Power Plants look like it works like a hose. I might look in to getting a power wall myself. But I think the best idea is to be as diversified as we can be..

Oh, and you will LOVE the autonomous vehicles. All I have is base Autopilot - and it rocks!

Brewha wrote:

An electric is like 20 cents on the dollar to gas, and no oil changes. No stopping for gas. Faster.

Just sayin’

Brewha wrote:

Federal laws, not state. Taking lead out of gasoline and dumping incandescent bulbs did not require the extensive changes that the change to 100% electric vehicles will require. Lead-free gasoline was already available, it just took more refining and did not require the addition of alcohol*. Alternative light bulbs were already on the market** and widely available, light sockets accepted any bulb that screwed in and ran on the same electricity.

As for virtual Power Plants, what new power are they going to aggrigate? Again, think of the daily output of all our refineries and replacing that much energy with new electric power sources, not existing.

I have previously posted my want for autonomus vehicles, my Silverado has active speed control and lane centering, not perfect, but very good.


* Archer Dainel Midlands (ADM) got thie alchool scam written into US law. On good thing about going to electrics, ADM can shove their alchool plant us their ass along with the members of the parliment of whores that voted in the alchol in gasoline requirement.

** CFLs were another problematic "solution" aidded and abeded by lawmakers, never mind the merury and phospherious.

Gene363 wrote:

Btw, not that I am a truck man, but the new GM Lighting is kinda cool.

Brewha wrote:

Right, so the virtual Power Plants are homes with solar panels on the roof and a battery in the garage that would last the home 2-3 days if the grid were out. When peak loads hit, say 4-9 PM, the batteries sell power back to the grid. Other wise the cell largely power the home. So power made at home. Not viable in all states - not yet. But it is a home run here in Texas.

As far as EV’s, they too are available (more so everyday) and fit in existing garages (joke). Seriously, the adapter to charge the car at home was about $100. Full tank every night.

I believe that laws are needed to move us forwarded, state and or federal.

CFL’s were stop gap - and are largely phased out. But the demand fueled the LED market.

My Autopilot fully steers/drives on twisty back roads at 30 to 85 miles an hour. Camera based - no need for pre-mapped roads. You would McLov it. The FSD package is worth a look on YouTube. It actually goes door to door….

Btw, not that I am a truck man, but the new GM Lighting is kinda cool.

Brewha wrote:

(Natural News) Record highs are being set around the globe for the cost of electricity, and countries in Europe are experiencing the worst of it. The entire scam of electric cars is now being realized by the majority of the populace, as they finally realize it costs more to own, maintain and ‘fuel’ an electric car than any standard gasoline-fueled automobile. Don’t believe it?

Right now, in Europe, it costs about $135 to charge a Tesla to full, and that price is on track to DOUBLE by the new year. That means it will cost $270 to fully charge the average electric vehicle (EV) in Germany and France. Currently, one euro is equal to one US dollar. That’s just the beginning of insane costs incurred to support the EV nightmare. Let’s do the math.

More...

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-09-04-europeans-could-pay-270-to-charge-their-electric-cars-2023.html 

So, just curious about that battery that would let you live and drive for 3 days during an outage.
Do you have more info?
Cost
Life
End of Life (disposal)

We've got laws being implemented based on crossed fingers hoping that something might be invented to make it viable.

Brilliant.

tailgater wrote:

So the devil is in the details here.

A Powerwall is a 13.5kWh battery. You can have one or several walls based on your planned usage. During an outage, you might want to run only essential things and have a low requirement, or run everything and charge your car. Then there is the matter of how much solar power you are generating during the outage. Or maybe there is no solar hooked to the battery.

Two Powerwalls would power the average home for about a day assuming there was little or no sun shining. But on a normal day in Texas (full sun), you would typically be making more power during the day than you would you all day.

Cost is about how much you buy, where you live, and if the local govmut is paying for part of it.

I'm thinking it is a 30 year life on the equipment.

Recycling the battery is part of the plan.




https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/powerwall/learn/how-powerwall-works 

Brewha wrote:

Tesla says 20 years and $11,500 for a PowerWall.

Could use a couple of PowerWalls right now.

HockeyDad wrote:

Devil's in the details, yet the only hard number you offer is the guess you made on the life of the battery. Which would be amazing if true.

I love me some off the grid stuff.
Solar and battery backup interest me greatly.

Not even Tesla, on the web link that you provided, are brave enough to offer actual numbers. Because here's the deal:
Solar power from one home wouldn't be enough to charge that powerwall battery pack in a day.

And if you do use the powerwall to charge your Tesla, it would usurp all the amps.

I don't doubt you could run an average home for some time. Be frugal. Don't use an electric oven or clothes dryer. Assume you don't have electric heat and won't use the AC.
It's all about amp draw.
And the Tesla powerwall might have changed names, but it hasn't changed technology over the past 5+ years. And the math simply doesn't add up.

Someday. Maybe.

We need a near perfect battery. Which will happen as soon as we approach near perfect super conductivity at temperatures a bit north of zero Kelvin.

Even liberals should recognize that mandates based on conjecture are bad laws.

tailgater wrote:

Devil's in the details, yet the only hard number you offer is the guess you made on the life of the battery. Which would be amazing if true.

I love me some off the grid stuff.
Solar and battery backup interest me greatly.

Not even Tesla, on the web link that you provided, are brave enough to offer actual numbers. Because here's the deal:
Solar power from one home wouldn't be enough to charge that powerwall battery pack in a day.

And if you do use the powerwall to charge your Tesla, it would usurp all the amps.

I don't doubt you could run an average home for some time. Be frugal. Don't use an electric oven or clothes dryer. Assume you don't have electric heat and won't use the AC.
It's all about amp draw.
And the Tesla powerwall might have changed names, but it hasn't changed technology over the past 5+ years. And the math simply doesn't add up.

Someday. Maybe.

We need a near perfect battery. Which will happen as soon as we approach near perfect super conductivity at temperatures a bit north of zero Kelvin.

Even liberals should recognize that mandates based on conjecture are bad laws.

tailgater wrote:

https://youtu.be/sC75aU47GRk

Mashin' all that Socalist avacado into a mango frappe and serving it back all cold with a paper straw man!

DrMaddVibe wrote: