Thom
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:11:00 PM
Can I be Adroomi too? Just for a little while?
rugrunner
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:19:00 PM
If you want to thom. You'll have to work harder at being full of BS though...

An extra 3 or 4 sign ons would help too. (c;

Dr Pepperhill
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:30:00 PM
Who gets to say which speech is ok and which isn't? I think Tailgater had it right, "Free Speech is a right and a privaledge. When we allow it to do more harm than good we have lost our real freedom. We are not a slave to the first amendment. We are the master." In other words "we the people" of our nation, state, and local community are the ones who make the call. The law is just a guide, not a holy grail. America is barely over 200 years old, a mere neonate as far as countries go. Your home is what you make it.

tailgater
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:58:00 AM
Let's not forget, I'm not suggesting that people should be arrested for WHAT they say.

It's HOW they say it.

When an assembly has the sole intent to instigate then it is our DUTY to prohibit that assembly.

When they cry about their "rights" we can then offer a tissue to wipe away their tears.

Thom
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:51:00 AM
It is already illegal to insight a riot. But in my view there should be NO laws regulating speech. The ammendmant is clear "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech..." But I know that I have a VERY broad view of what free speech means.
rugrunner
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:58:00 PM
Tail &pepper, Who decides? Pepper says "we the people" should decide. Does that me a reforendum vote for every parade permit? Like so many plans put forth by liberals, "I'd fix it" isn't a plan. "we the people" dis not an answer to the question who decides. But I bet it makes you feel better to be anti nazi.
Dr Pepperhill
Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:07:00 PM
It sure does Rug. Although I'm sure Nazis have their own version of self-esteem, I'm quite content to be anti-nazi and assure you I will continue to be so indefinitly. "We the people" do in fact decide who gets permits and who doesn't, who goes to jail, who goes free, and on and on ad infinitum. You must be blissfully ignorant and have little experience in such matters, which is a good thing bro, take my word for it. Those people that make up "we" are judges, cops, moms, lawyers, relatives( preferable rich ones), enemies, teachers, county clerks, tow trick drivers. The list is really to long to enumerate, but people use discretion to arrive at legal and non-legal decisions on a daily basis, and necessarily so, both here and abroad. It's how the world works (off the record). Law is a guide, not immutable. Law is gray, textured, and sometimes absurd, not binary or black and white. Of course "people" decide if the Nazis can march or not. Who else would, pidgeons?
CWFoster
Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:06:00 AM
I HAT people who divide the country (divide and conquer). I hate racism, because it is a VERY devisive influence. Is it racist to point out that the riotous looters MADE the point that the $#%@ing Nazis wanted to make? There is another minority that seems to go largely unnoticed. The members of the Afican-American community who openly acknowledge that there's a problem, and challenge their own people to correct it! (Bill Cosby comes immediately to mind) they are usually vilified by THEIR OWN COMMUNITY for speaking their own mind! Gee, I wonder who we Anglo Saxon people can blame for the antics of the Nazis? Can we blame the very people the Nazis are trying to persecute? HARDLY! Yet ALL the ills of the black commumity are the fault of the white majority. GET REAL! I once had a candid discussion with a black co-worker about reverse discrimination, and was told that there could be no reverse discrimination until the whites had endured 200 years of slavery and oppression. Ever hear of ancient Greece and Rome? White men have kept white men as slaves for THOUSANDS of years! It's time for everybody to get over the past! stop holding what my grandaddy may or may not have done to your grandaddy against ME! If folks think America needs to pay reparations to the blacks for slavery, fight with the American Indians, because they have the first claim against us! GET OVER IT! Ican't wait until we have a colorblind society, but as long as there are Nazis, Klansmen,the Rainbow Coalition, the Black Muslims, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakhan, and Al Sharpton, I don't see it happening!
tailgater
Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:02:00 AM
Rug,

I'd debate this topic further, but I don't want you to claim I was Adroomi in disguise.

bassdude
Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:35:00 AM
rug - tailgater is NOT adroomi. I have sent cigars to THE Pats fan more than once and have another set to go.

Now I do not understand why you are against adoption.

I do believe that freedome of speech does apply to the Nazi groups as well. It is when they act that they cross the line. How many of these Nazis ever do anything? They are mostly just blowhards looking for publicity. In MO a Nazi group applied for the highway clean-up and were turned down. A judge overturned and gave them the highway - the real issue was that no one wanted to see the sign. I say let em clean the roads who cares.

Gater I gotta say freedom of speech is just that whether we agree with what they say or not.

Thom
Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:39:00 AM
^Well said.
CWFoster
Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:46:00 PM
What Bassdude said!
rugrunner
Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:52:00 PM
Bass, That was my point. I don't know why you think i am agianst adoption though.