A Colonel in the Saudi Arabian Army once told an American officer, "We can

be friendly, but we will never be friends." Can a devout Muslim be an American

patriot and a loyal citizen?

THEOLOGICALLY: No. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of

Arabia.

GEOGRAPHICALLY: No. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, which he turns in

prayers five times a day.

SOCIALLY: No. Because his allegiance to Islam demands that he make no

friends of Christians and Jews.

POLITICALLY: No. Because he must submit to the mullah, who teaches

annihilation of Israel and the destruction of America, the great Satan.

DOMESTICALLY: No. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and

scourge his wife when she disobeys

him.

RELIGIOUSLY: No. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except

Islam-Intolerance.

INTELLECTUALLY: No. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it

is established on Biblical principles

and he believes the Bible to be

corrupt.

PHILOSOPHICALLY: No. Because Islam, Mohammed and the Quran do not allow freedom

of religion and expression.

Democracy and Islam cannot coexist. Every Muslim government is dictatorial

except Turkey.

SPIRITUALLY: No. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the

Christian's God is a triune God while the Muslim's is one entity called "Allah,"

who is never a heavenly father, nor is he

ever called "Love" in the 99 excellent names.

This article by: Anis Shorrosh, a former Muslim, turned to Christ, from

Nazareth, now living in Alabama. Reprint rights

granted.

Commentary: And we think we can "reason" with them here and throughout the

world?....when pigs fly!

We need to take the entire Middle East and name it New Texas!

Charlie

What did you call me?

I am not a Moron....I'm just a little slooooow.

Islam forgives those as ignorant as you are...you should sign yourself as OXY_MORON

One religion is as lunatic as another. All should work on tolerance.

Kim, did Islam forgive those involved with the September 11 tragedy?

Did Islam even appologize that a rogue group somehow misinterpreted the kuran?

Or did Islam rejoice with a fervor greater even than that of Brazil when they kick ass in soccer?

The silence from Islam is equal in horror only to the silence of the Catholic Church in regards to the abuse scandal. But with one difference: The priests in question did not do it in the name of God. It was human weakness, whereas the radical Muslims involved with 9-11 did so in the name of allah.

Who's the ignorant one?

I don't think it's any harder for a Muslim to be a good American than it is for a Catholic or a Jew. Depends which word you put first. American or some other. That's a nasty little list there. Doesn't help a thing.

Stir it up RDC! Well put tailgater. Clark

x-dog,

I know very little about the Muslim religion. Before Sept 11th I knew even less.

But one thing I continually hear about them, even from those who support them, is their total intollerance for many things. Look no further than how they treat women and other religions in their own countries.

My point? Simply that being American means being tollerant, with freedoms that somehow offend those with Muslim upbringing.

Seems to me that if the Muslim religion doesn't take action to prevent further "misunderstandings" of their faith, then they are breeding disaster. And that would certainly make it quite difficult to be truly AMERICAN.

I'm a lot more worried about those sinister Mormons because:

Gastronimically: They don't drink coffee. WTF?

Geographically: The live in Utah. Nuff said.

Theologically: They have an old white guy profit who claims to communicate directly with God.

Ontologically: They believe their marraiges survive death. Perish the thought!

Musically: The Osmonds.

Politically: Black men couldn't have the priesthood until the civil rights movement cranked up and God suddenly decided he wasn't racist and told the profit they had to give black men the priesthood. Women of any color can't have the priesthood.

Dang tailgater! I was going to leave it at my rather restrained previous post. Now I can't. I think it is rather crude to lump all Muslims together as bad. Yes, a large number of them have been co-opted by evil power hungry bastards. That's not the way it was in the beginning. Muhammad, in the Koran, preaches tolerance,understanding,benevolence. His message(like Jesus') was subverted and perverted by men who sought to use it for their own gain. Much like Christianity in the Middle Ages. Unfortunately, much of Islam is in it's own "dark age". Will it improve? Christianity recovered from the Inqusition, the Salem witch trials, the crusades. American Muslims are reluctant to speak out. Seems they are afraid of becoming targets. I think they are justified. There have been many crimes against people of arab heritage, Muslim or not, merely because they look Muslim. There is plenty of intolerance right here.If a person does their homework and becomes a citizen, that person likely knows more about American history and government than many people born here. Why weren't more German immigrants speaking out during WWI and WWII? Because they were rightly afraid of getting their asses kicked or their houses burned down. There are too many people who are ready and willing to make a party out of such an event. I guess some people need SOMEBODY to hate. Today it's Muslims. It's not right.

You're right, it's NOT right.

We shouldn't need somebody to hate.

But we can not compare the German Americans in WWII to the Muslims of today. We fought Germany, but it was the Nazi party that was to blame. And those that believed in the Nazi agenda were justifiably hated.

We are now dealing with a very large and vastly misunderstood religion. A large portion of that group hate Americans for what we represent more than for what we have actually done. And I've yet to hear any distinct separation between the terrorists and the so-called peaceful Muslims.

I have never suggested that all Muslims are evil. Only that their failure to distance themselves from those that kill in the name of allah gives more than just an appearance of some sympathy for the terrorists.

This is not the early 1900's. This is the 21st century. America would not only listen to Muslims who are outspoken against the terroists, we would welcome them.

Silence speaks volumes...

You raise many valid points. It is important to recognize that all the major religions have extremists and radicals in their midst that pass themselves off as spokespeople for the majority when, in truth, they are a very small, but very vocal minority. In this way Islam is no different from the other religions that have extremists in their midst. We should recognize that there is a large Muslim community - in the US and around the World - that simply does not agree with the extremist view. In the US alone there are over 6 million American Muslims. That number is up from about 500,000 over the last two decades. Over 30% of American Muslims are African American. The second largest Muslim group in the US is of South Asian origin. There are around 1 billion Muslims in the world today. Labelling all Muslims as hate mongering, intolerant savages is simply wrong.

You are right, moderate Muslims need to raise their voices and speak out so that true perspective on Islam and its tenets are communicated to all. If this is done, folks like yourself will recognize that American Muslims and Muslims in general cannot be stereotyped. I am an American Muslim - a citizen of the United States and proud of it....I would appreciate your help and understanding so that others who are not well informed realize that being an American Muslim is not an oxymoron

I will try to jump in without being to intolerate; however, I do not see the Muslim community being very patriotic to America! Where are the American Flags and the feeling of "We are proud to be Americans"? Don't see very much of that from any group of Muslims, always talking about the Religion of Peace is one thing, but how about standing up for America?

Charlie

my 2 cents. I think it all comes down to basic american philosophy. We grew up in a country that our forefathers fought for and won. They were people that had the "live free of die" mentality. Granted they had some peculiar ideas about slavery and mistreatment of indigineous people but their underlying attitude was fairly basic. If you want something bad enough you will fight to take it or fight to keep it. In that regard the USA has a fairly unique perspective.

What annoys me most about all of this current situation is that the people of all these middle east countries are basically sheep. They lay down as soon as a bigger or stronger leader comes along. Did you see all the celebrating when the US came into Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban. Men ran out and shaved their beards and danced in the streets. they played music and generally had a good time. all things prohibited by their former "leaders". If Saddam is toppled the same thing will happen.

But you know what won't happen? These people will never understand what it means to be free. They just don't get it. They don't have the same attitude that we have. They're use to being told what to do and as soon as another bully comes along they will be content living under the thumb of some oppressor. There will be no great rallying of the people, no march on the capital, no freedom.

I agree it is tough to lump all persons of a particular faith as following the same belief. In my area there is a large Muslim, Sikh, Islam community. Similar and different. One common thread. After the 9-11 attack, they were among the first to wave the American flag. Partially our of fear and embarassment, but out of pride as well.

This country has given them opportunities that they could have never realized in their own countries. Many Islamic people here are on their second and third generations of being American. (How many here on this site are fourth generation or less?)

I do agree with one thing. I believe the philosophies taught by Islam tend to lean towards intolerance, but mostly out of defense of their philosophy. Remember, most of the theologies of Islam are taught to illiterate and poor people.

What they learn is limited to what they are told. (Not dissimilar to biblical times). How they react to what they are told is limited to how they are taught and under what circumstances. True Islam is not very different from Judaism. The benefit Judaism has had is that of written education and the ability to think for ones self.

Imagine yourself a school age child living in a rubble strewn village.

Every day you see jets scream overhead dropping bombs on a neighboring area or village where you have some friends and relatives. The elders point to those planes and say they are American /Israeli / Russian / British etc. They tell you they are bringing death and destruction to your people and country because you are Muslim and they are Christians and Jews. You don't get newspapers. You have seldom seen a television set. You are ripe for extremist training.

On the other hand, take Bagdhad or Tehran (or any number of large middle eastern cities). Those were party towns. People knew the good life. They lived with their religion but not for it or because of it. They had wealth, cars, bars, movies, cable TV etc.

They don't hate us. They don't like the way their govenment and religious fanatics make them live when even their own officials and leaders don't live that way. It is opression right now.

The opression is brought on by a few greedy nasty Hitler-like leaders who are using the Church to recruit poor ignorant illiterate country bred extremists to carry out their tyranny.

We have similar extremists in our own country bred in extremely religious surroundings. They usually join groups like the KKK. Extremism and intolerance are not the sole property of Islam. Don't forget the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades (probably responsible for more deaths than the Jewish or Armenian Holocusts. Even the Roman Empire was a form of extremism and (definitely) intolerance. The Roman Empire was dedicated to Paganism, odd mysticism and hedonism. But they were spreading the word and power of their own G-ds from 753BC to 476 AD. Long time and a lot of people killed.

Understand, lumping a people or belief system into a group and saying "kill them all they are terrorists and they hate us" is pretty intolerant in itself.

Our target is the source. That's all. Not the entire religion or people...just the leaders and dictators.

Yes....we are the world's police department. We are not all that is good and pure, just well equipped for the job and capable. Now lets get in there and and open up a KFC.

Well said Rayder!!

rayder1's post is very eloquent & I agree wholeheartedly . let me put in my 2 cents :our enemy is not only overseas , but american citizens as well . I'm talking about those commie pinko left wingers who are in government & the media . these people have no clue how to handle despots like saddam . remember how Bill Clinton handled the al-quieda embassy bombings in Africa ?he lobbed a few tomahawk missiles into some tiny , insignifigant Afghani villages . I'm sure Osama's knees were knocking after that one . At least this time around we liberated millions of Afghani citizens & reduced Al-queda to a shadow of it's former self . the left wingers have to realize that you HAVE to be heavy handed with these people , not be all "touchy - feely " .