So "Taiwan, Cuba, and the United Kingdom are topping the lists" in both legal and illegal immigrants?

I find this statement highly doubtful.

"I also haven't been "out" of the country as long as you think. You keep forgetting that the world is flat. I am not "over there" on some far and away safari or something. I'm right here my friend. I'm probably more in tune with the USA than you think. I've been in 14 states this year. How many others can say that on this board?"

Prove it...Ha!

JJ

JJ,

Nope, I'm talking purely immigrants here. Illegals are not immigrants, they are illegal immigrants.

Double Ha!

Jetblasted,

Actually immigrants haven't really been flooding the country. 2004 government statistics (Dept of Homeland Security) show that the U.S. allowed 946,142 immigrants in 2004 which equals to about 1/3 of 1% of the U.S. population.

For 2004, Mexico topped the list with 175,364 immigrants. India was second at 70,116. Phillipines, China, and Vietnam round out the top five.

As for as illegal immigration goes, well who knows how to count that. I've seen estimates of 10 to 20 million illegals in the U.S. I think that would qualify as droves or hordes. Look on the bright side, they're only illegal aliens right up until the point the President Bush grants them all amnesty and gives them green cards. Poof, illegal alien problem solved!

Dang it, you're messing up my fudged stats!

The old I travel therefore I know argument?

followed up by the ever useful fudged stats.

I'll bet you could just re post the same posts over and over and we'd be none the wiser...

Being that they are stats, they're always room to fudge.

They've got data back to 1820 so it is kinda interesting to see the various waves of immigration patterns and who used to come to the U.S. in large numbers that do not now.

Since 1820-2004, the largest immigrant group is Germany but Mexico has passed UK and moved into second place. Mexico will be #1 in about 5 years because Germans and Brits or Europeans in general aren't coming here in masse anymore.

Hockey,

I pulled mine from here:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/yearbook/Yearbook2004.pdf 

I'm assuming you did too?

arguing with you is pointless . . .

You are always right and everyone is always wrong . . .

All you have to do is look around and you can tell that there are more imigrants in our country than there were 10 years ago . . . LOTS More . . . Like I said, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out . . . just look around.

"All you have to do is look around and you can tell that there are more immigrants in our country than there were 10 years ago"

Jetblasted,

I wonder how many Native Americans sat around a campfire at some point and said the exact same thing!

Jet,

Of course there are more immigrants now than there were ten years ago......there's also more cars on the road too. As time marches on, the numbers get bigger.

The point is, you made your first statement with the guise that immigration is "increasing." I say it's not, and if anything, it might just be "decreasing." Maybe, maybe not.

The fact is, immigrants are coming and they will continue to come. Just be a little cautious and don't let this lead you to having the all too common "we're number one and everybody wants to come here" attitude that is all too common. You're better than that.

...and don't say "all too common" twice in the same sentence.

Adroomi,

Yes, that is the official immigration statistics.

Jetblasted,

If you check that source above in Adroomi's post, you'll see that the U.S. adds approximately one million immigrants a year so there are more immigrants than ten years ago. There has never not been a point where that was not true. We also have over four million births each year. Some of those might even be children of immigrants but we just call them U.S. citizens!

I can't look around and tell there are more immigrants in our country because I don't specifically know what an immigrant looks like but the U.S. government tells me there are more so I believe them.