8track,

We shouldn't be discussing my father, and I appreciate your second post about it. I realize that you weren't taking a jab. Thanks for the elaboration on that.

Actually my father snuck across the border into America and was an illegal alien for 3 years. He's been a citizen for well over 35 years. He graduated from college 10 years ago at the age of 48. He's a senior manager at a very large automobile manufacturer and is ready to retire soon. I was proud to take him shopping and help him buy his "first" business suits when he was promoted.

To answer your question though...yes, I come from a very lower middle class, family. None of us want to shoot anybody though.

Darn

adroomi, I guess its ok to bring my family into it but not yours. You must be im love with yourself as to you everyone else is second class citizens.

Tailgater,

"They are a financial burden."

"(they) have no means to pay taxes even if they wanted to.

Please explain these two "facts" as you claim.

Fact one: They are a financial burden.

They don't add to the tax base because they can't. They utilize public roads (not free) and social services (don't dare say they don't). See more tidbits in my original post.

Fact two: Paying taxes.

How, pray tell, would they pay taxes, other than simple sales taxes? They are illegal. They have "no documents".

Those that hire them do so for this very reason. They work for less money even if they're paid the same hourly wage.

If I didn't have to pay taxes on my employees, I could pay them MORE then I do now.

No social security.

No workers comp.

Nothing to the feds, nor to the state.

Life is good.

And illegal...

Yes, some illegals will produce fake documents. Social security taxes would be taken out and never utilized. But that's not the whole story.

They likely would claim Zero on their false W-2, making their weekly witholdings minimal. So apart from medicade and SS, they are working tax free.

They won't pay Uncle Sam by April 15th because they won't have to. They don't exist.

Unless you think they are making annonymous payments to the IRS ?

they left out some other key lines of the mexican constitution and they also made sure to only quote the unamended version.

Article 2. Slavery is forbidden in the United Mexican States. Slaves who enter national territory from abroad shall, by this act alone, recover their freedom and enjoy the protection afforded by the laws.

Article 27 clearly states that foreigners may not buy government lands not private property. It does say that foreigners may not participate in political affiars which is something I strongly disagree with.

Here's a couple links to mexican law sites if anyone wants to read it for themselves and not take this guys word for it.

http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist263/docs/1917const.html#Article30 

Article 7. Freedom of writing and publishing writings on any subject is inviolable. No law or authority may establish censorship, require bonds from authors or printers, or restrict the freedom of printing, which shall be limited only by the respect due to private life, morals, and public peace. Under no circumstances may a printing press be sequestrated as the instrument of the offense

Article 24. Everyone is free to embrace the religion of his choice and to practice all ceremonies, devotions, or observances of his respective faith, either in places of public worship or at home, provided they do not constitute an offense punishable by law.

I see you are avioding your other threads tey.

What a suprise.

u mad doggie?