Homebrew,

I see your point about the fake IDs. On the other hand, you can look at the kid, look at the Id, look at the kid again and say no service. Nobody gets sued for discrimination if you're wrong. Women are flattered that you think they look underage, and guys just have their buddy buy their beer.

If I look at the employee, then their papers, then them again and say no job and it turns out I'm wrong, then I get sued for job discrimination.

You think they have labor troubles in France? Put small business in a position of hiring nobody or facing destruction of their business if they accidentally hire an illegal and they'll opt to hire nobody every time.

00Camper.. I still don't buy it...

my Son has been job searching for a month now.. he's had 3 places going to hire him and he just recently took one of them.. first thing during the 3rd interview was piss test.. then wait a week for a background check that "HAD" to Be Preformed he worked two other jobs since his accident.. one of them was back to his previous employer prior to his accident.. same thing with both those places even though he worked with the one before.. Background Check... you cannot tell me that if "Illegal Alien" their going to check out good to go in this now in place system???

and why would you get sued if this manditory system is in place and THEY Were Wrong?

Hog

hog,

Background checks cost money. Large companies can afford to pay for it. We can't. Give us immunity from being sued if we deny an applicant a job and we're wrong about the applicant's status. Otherwise the EOE people are gonna be plenty busy suing employers for discrimination.

then there needs to be more change to the system 00camper... this would call for letters and petitions to your elected officials across the country.. to assist small business's in following the proper procedures.. sounds like a breakdown in the system to me??

Hog

hog,

I agree that something needs to be done about the illegal immigration issue. Too many people think that employers are to blame for the problem. Economics is the lesson being taught here. The illegals are flooding America because they want the kind of life we Americans already have. They want things to be better for their kids than it was for them. There's nothing wrong with having the dream. How its achieved is another thing altogether.

New laws are not the answer. For various reasons they'll go unenforced just as the present ones do. These people are already ILLEGAL. How much more illegal can they be made to be?

Entering this country illegaly, IMHO, shows disrespect for our laws and makes them criminals. We don't need any more criminals, of any nationality.

I think victor might be onto something...

But when those workers undergo their background checks, if any of them are undesirable for whatever reason (criminal past, etc) they get tossed.

Gentlemen:

In some ways most of you are correct. People are here illegally. They broke the law either crossing the border or overstaying their visa. They also broke the law by working.

I ask a question. How harshly would you prosecute someone who is unemployed, actively looking for work, has absolutely no money and steals food to feed their family? I personally would not deal harshly with this situation. The majority of illegal immigrants are here to work to feed their families. We should not deal too harshly with them. All of us break laws to some extent, but very few of us have had to resort to breaking the law to feed our family.

Our immigration laws and processes do not work to our advantage. The issue seems to be too politically charged to make any constructive changes. We need the workers, people want to come and work but the quotas that exist are way too small to meet OUR needs, never-mind the needs of the potential immigrants.

I would rather have the illegal immigrant that is working and productive than the welfare recipient that refuses to look for work. Lets deport the welfare recipients and keep the illegals. At least the illegals want to work.

"I would rather have the illegal immigrant that is working and productive than the welfare recipient that refuses to look for work. Lets deport the welfare recipients and keep the illegals. At least the illegals want to work."

Barry,

I have no problem in the world with what you said above as long as these Illegal's are documented, paying Taxes and covering their own healthcare and medical costs... the welfare Fuggers who don't want to work is an entirely different Rant/Thread that gets my blood boiling worse then seeing 12 million + Illegal Immigrants not paying their fair share of the American Dream....

Hog

Russ,

Actually a fairly high percentage of illegals work with fake ID and pay taxes, but I am with you.

Lets find a way to allow enough legal immigrants to meet our economic needs, screen them, document them and tax them.

For those that are here, lets do the same. If they are working. Fine them, if that will help. Collect back taxes, if not previously paid. If they are not productive or commit crimes, send them home.

"For those that are here, lets do the same. If they are working. Fine them, if that will help. Collect back taxes, if not previously paid. If they are not productive or commit crimes, send them home."

This is where I think the company's who hire them should take the brunt of the fine as well.. but as 00camper points out above.. smaller company's do not have the resorces to pay for the background checks.. so this should be a broad based small business/large busness expense shared annually to cover the cost..

these skip trace programs for locating people who skip on their child support and bill collections is one of these programs that is tied into a national database for social security numbers etc for tracking... it is not hard to locate a person or a vehicle or anything this day and age.. unless that person is undocumented?

but if a company small or large are not meeting the requirements of the Laws then they should be find just the same... this could/will probably bring Honesty across the table on both sides?

Hog