Ashcroft seems to protect the NRA, because he won't let the government go through their files on members. Hmmmm...I wonder why? I hope this doesn't anger JonR but here is a cut and paste:

"After September 11, the Justice Department rounded up over 1,200 men suspected of ties to terrorist organizations. The FBI went to work, making background checks -- with one exception. By edict of the attorney general, the FBI was prohibited from looking into records of gun ownership. Even though current law dictates holding receipts of gun purchases for 90 days, Ashcroft agreed with NRA policy that records should be destroyed after 24 hours. Not even the war on terror could shake Ashcroft's allegiance to the NRA."

I agree with Robby that those who are clean have nothing to hide. But does the government have that right to search?

choner

absolute power corrupts "absolutely"...

You can say that again.

all this has nothing to do with "do you have anything to hide"

i think you younger guys have missed the point. it's none of the governments business what i read or what i think. this is not some banana republic run by a dictator. is ashcroft the thought police?

you guys are willing to give up some of your freedom to make sure you are safe. safe from what? the weekly threats the administration announces as they see fit? when the **** hit the fan 9/11 where were they. reading to little kids in school instead of getting something done or hiding someplace.

whether this administration did or did not know when the new pearl harbor was going to happen, they knew something was going to happen. the saudi family was the only plane given clearance to take off. and of course this crap about saddam being behind it all.

why didn't we take his sons alive so they could have been interrogated? what kind of low class nation needs to show the dead bodies?

question. don't you find the number of "accidents" that are killing our kids a bit high? are some of these or most, in reality more killing of our armed forces by iraq's, but not reported that way to save face. there are more accidents involving military vehicles than i can imagine. are guys can't drive all of a sudden. we are knee deep in **** in iraq and no way to get out.

of course we could always do what we should have done in vietnam, declare victory, and get the hell out. do we really care what the iraq's do to each other? i don't.

speaking of impeachment,

Rick,

I'm not following the thread it seems...I only see two posts that possibly promote loosening privacy in exchange for freedom. Which "younger guys" are you getting on to?

Apologies in advance for overstepping my bounds.

billyjackson

you have no bounds. please jump in whenever any one of us, especially me, has too much to say about anything.

i am going to print this and read it tomorrow. i may have been refering to previous threads.

i don't recognize the handle stranger, but pull up a chair and have a beer.

I'm with you Rick ... when the **** hits the fan, you'll have a place with 'friends' in the Midwest.

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can you say "john ashcroft is the kindest,
bravest, warmest, most wonderful
human being I've ever known in
my life.

billyjackson

yes. i was refering to a history of posts that were intense at the time. bour freedom vs purported safety.

do you be a librarian. if so, does your library have a copy of " SEDUCTION OF THE INNOCENT" BY a doctor WERTHEM?

Rick,

Yep, we got it.

So who were the young guys you refered to?

"question. don't you find the number of "accidents" that are killing our kids a bit high? are some of these or most, in reality more killing of our armed forces by iraq's, but not reported that way to save face. there are more accidents involving military vehicles than i can imagine. are guys can't drive all of a sudden. we are knee deep in **** in iraq and no way to get out." From Rick

To Rick, you yourself have never been to that Region.. so how can you sit at your monitor and derail the findings of Accedents that are coming out of that region? your an Insurance man right? only thing is you live/work in an area where the weather is relativly the same all 4 seasons "Correct?" I have been deployed to the region where all these Incidents and our Young Men and Women are losing their lives to Accedents, #1 is Training ... allot of people are not trained to be driving in a region like that... #2 at the same time they "The Individuals" could have been deployed for many months now and what weighs on their minds and takes them away from their duty's at hand are things going on at home.. the living conditions as to where their at right now... being in a confrotation with a fellow worker because of his situation at home and his bitterness to amount of time on deployment... Moral call was missed... any number of things... but back to Vehical Incidents Accedents "because you can relate to that" if these folks were or were not properly Beifed as to how the Roads close up with drifting sand... and sand acts differently even more so then Snow.. then yes your going to have problems... Airman Johnny was driving from point A to Point B in a hurry because his CO told him time is Crutial... when a sandstrom had picked up a bit and knocked down his visablity to lets say 20% at the same time sand had drifted across the road in area's... he has still in the back of his mind what the CO had told him and trying to carry out his Orders as sufficiant as he can.. fails to decreas his speed and to that event when he comes across the drifted sand on the road his Vehical "Like Hitting a speed Bump in a parking lot" gets tossed into the air and on returning to the pavement he trys to decrease his speed and thus sand being like glass or wet oil on the road causes his vehical to slid sideways... unable to overcome this or over steering to try and compensate this rolls the vehical off into the desert... this is just a little example of something that could happen... you can also take into account these people over there do not have to go down to the Drivers facility and get a License... there givin one when they ask their government for one at a certian age.. age doesn't matter either... because their family are welthy.. daddy will give them the key's so the 8 yr old can take his buddy's down to the local street light that lights up the highway and they can get out in the sand (Parking their vehical on the Highway) and play soccer under the lights!!! thus here's a parked car on the highway at night... by the time someone see's it and their running 80 Klicks down the road... its almost toooo Late...

and you cannot rule out the wildlife in the region also... Camels or sheep/goats over there are not kept up in Fences... they roam... and they do whatever they damn well please... they don't know what a roadway is to them its all open pastures!!!!

So Rick go ahead and Hypothetically think that your Government and Military Officials are lieing their ass's off to you and the rest of the American Public to keep the actual KIA numbers down... but all in all... for Us (I do feel I can speak for my Brother's and Sister's who have been in that region and know what Driving and the other risks are like)Can See this actually happening... I'm sorry that it does... but you cannot get into every military members head and find out what events are going to occure that day for them!!! nor can you predict future events... if you can I Need my Loto Numbers and Uncle Sam Needs YOU!!!!

Let's see more of your Flower Pictures!!!

Hog

Here let me add this Artical... and then I will Blame Cliton for this Loss of Life do to the Military cutbacks he put on the Military through his 8 yrs as KING!!!!

http://www.military.com/NewContent?file=Defensewatch_073103&ESRC=dod.nl 

oh but wait... if that Marine had not deployed to cover Operation Iraqi Freedom... then he would not have been on that boat or had that old life preserver On... (Thats just my liberal side cutting loose.. just excuse Me)

Hog

billyjackson

if i check it out and lose it, how much would i need to pay the library to replace it, or pay for my losing it. i'll bet it hasen't been checked out for years. maybe, the library will simply sell it to me so they can buy something more current. i hate the honest approach, but if it works... i am serious. i want to give it to one of my sons.

"So who were the young guys you refered to?" you can starve me, you can beat me, you can kill me, i'll never tell. i'm not a stoolie.

hint: many of them are to the right of me politically speaking.

usahog

you are correct of course. i was just asking a few questions.

"your liberal side?" are you coming out of the closet?

""your liberal side?" are you coming out of the closet? " ummmmm that would be followed up with a Statement like "NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!!!!!"

Nice try though Rick LMAO!!!

Hog

Rick -
I don't know, but I can say that he is a man that is doing what he believes in, doing what he believes is in the best interest of the country, is a man of solid word and conviction, has a moral compass that has never wavered, and I respect. If you don't agree, cool, Even Mr. Ashcroft would respect that.

"safe from what?"

A. The next 9/11 and those that are working towards it.

"it's none of the governments business what i read or what i think"

A. It is also illegal for the government to use any information obtained that was not obtained for the expressive purpose for which it was obtained. i.e. if they take all records of library book records for the purpose of trending on people interested in Nuclear materials, they cannot use it if they notice someone likes child porn by accident. At least that is my understanding.

"why didn't we take his sons alive so they could have been interrogated?"

A. There was a firefight. Would you have risked the lives of those in your charge to say "capture alive only"? Someone shoots at my men, I say do what you are trained to do no matter who it is. Do you have discreet knowledge that they were sent to kill?

Arguing politics on the internet is a waste.. don't know why I am even typing this...

peace.. and happy Herfing.

Ashcroft is a patsy puppet. He only does what he's told! Anyone who thinks different is very naive...

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the net is the best place to debate or argue.

one gets to type what he wants to say. he can then review his sentences to make the most impact. when he is ready to make a point, he is not interrupted by someone who can talk louder.

in a group, someone usually holds the floor and those of us that are a little quieter can never get our opinions heard. isn't this great. i can listen to everything you have to say and grasp what you are thinking.

how about that book? any chance of getting it honestly?

TurboFC3S

yes my compadre, little by little, inch by inch, it creeps.