Continuation of GASOLINE PRICES.

Read the last 10 or so posts and then post your opinion. There is a web site for referrence to the subject.

I realize there are those who work in the oil patch and/or oil Co's. I have many friends who do. However the fact remains. Fossil fuels are destroying the planet. Even the oil industry is investing in Hydrogen Energy, the bigest is Shell. Oh and I do realize there are many different uses for oil, some that do not produce emissions.

Oh, I'm not a tree hugger.

why did you start another post. i have heard and seen thread jacking, but this is the worst.

go to bed right after diner. no desert and no tv. and don't ask for a glass of water.

Hey Rick, your post was about gas prices. This is a new topic. I wanted to bring some more people into the discusion. That's why I put continueation and started a new thread.

To make Rick feel better, please reply to the first post and give him the full credit for this topic. Rick please don't go over the deep end. There is a crisis hotline in your area. Sorry Rick just had to follow in the Rick Maven tradition. Of course I've rarely seen you over react

Actually, Lim,

Down here in California our vehicles are required to pass a smog test bi-anually. The figures of my last test astonished me. My '95 Toyota Avalon is an environmental wonder. It emits only Nitrogen and Oxygen. Good for both trees and animals. Now I will admit that it uses more air (N and O2) for combustion than it emits, but I think we're splitting a few hairs here. Thanks to our efforts, L.A.'s smog has seen a steady decline for many decades despite a continually growing population.

But,

I am all for alternative energy both for conservation and liberatarian purposes. In fact, my father just sold a place in Nevada that was essentially energy self-sufficient. He's quite a resource for wind, solar etc.

I hope to do what I can with my new building. With the Govt. kickbacks, I figure it will pay for itself in about 5 years. After that it's all gravy, though only 5 years of gravy as the solar cells have a 10 yr. lifespan. gravy is still gravy though and I'll have more govt. independence and be doing my part for the environment.

We should definitely be investing in renewable resource technology, but don't be too quick to judge good ol' Texas Tea.

BTW, are you driving a hybrid or some sort of electric car?

Sketcha,

Right on, I think we're totally on the same page. I so cannot wait untill I have total independence from the utilities. There's just as much Alberta tea as there is in texas and if it weren't for that industry Alberta wouldn't have the best economy in North America (according to UN statistics). However there are more environmental friendly ways of extracting( especially in the oil sands where it take something like 10 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of oil), but that would reduce profits.

I don't have a Hybrid, but my wife and I share a car. We are in need of a second vehicle as kids are getting older. 2nd car will be Hydrogen. The Hybrid engine and generator just take up too much room. When the 100% Hydrogen cars come out, they will be more practicle. I will eventually replace the first. Also Alberta Especially Edmonton is a lot like Texas, Proud of their oil and not in a hurry to change. BC on the other hand is Like mini california.

Oil reserves:

US 22 Billion Barrels
Can 5.6 Billion Mostly comming out of Alberta. Also they have a huge oil sands project.

Intersting tidbit. BMW uses Hydrogen to power all non-engine appliances, like air cond, windows, stereo, etc. This allows the feul to be used only for performance. This is only on a few models.

limoric

i called the crisis and the suicide hot lines and, my old buddy "tony two times" (he always shoots twice) and left messages on their machines.

both the crisis and the suicide centers have directv so they were watching football.

tony two times answeing machine plays the theme from "6 foot under" but in a rhumba beat.

your feeble explaination for your plagiarism is laughable. i laugh at it. HA HA.

you are grounded for a week and you can't use the car to drive around with milly anymore. too many shoe marks on the header over the back seat.

Lim,

I'll have to wait for a used H vehicle as my finances don't support new cars. As soon as it's practical, my wife and I will both own one.

Rick my wife reads this forum, leave Milly out of this. Hehehe.

Sketcha,

As soon as they come out, Cali's will buy them in droves, especially the hippies. Because there isn't a lot of income to be made in hugging trees, many will be repo'd. And because there will be more cars than the Infrastructure can support at first, there will be bargins to be had at auctions. Most will still have manufacturers warrenties. Keep a look out for the auctions in Cali forn i a. Actually keep me apprised of them aswell.

LMAO w/Lim!

Damn dirty hippies! Can't wait to capitalize. Freekin' long hairs! = )

Unless the energy to charge the batteries of a hybred comes from solar, wind or nuclear, a regular modern gas motor runs cleaner in the end...

A power plant that is fossil fueled, puts out more emissions than automotive engines...

We're talking about Hydrogen not Hybrid. Zero emissions

limoric, have you lived in CA?

You said,"As soon as they come out, Cali's will buy them in droves, especially the hippies."

Dont count on that. I've lived in CA ALL my life. In this state your car is a statis symbol. SUV's & Sports cars rule in this state.

Also, this isnt the 60's. There arent as many hippies as you think. The hippies of old, bought used cars anyway, not new ones. So they would probably be the last to get em...

Tobasco's right. Although Santa Cruz tends to throw the curve off a little. This place is crawlin' with 'em. I think Angela Davis may still be teaching at UCSC.

Of course I'm not talking about all of Cali, but there's probably more hippies in the state than in Georgia. Come to think of it I seem to meet a lot of California hippies up here. They must of come up here for the free health care. Tell them to go hug their own tree's. Just Kidding, every so often we cut a tree down with them still attached and because most of our timber is exported you get them back anyway, along with a few of our hippies. Hehehe.

Actually I'm all for a good cause. But it's funny to watch hippies from anywhere get their point across with 50 studs in their faces and long matted hair. I'm reminded of the movie Armagedon, where Bruce willis is driving golf balls from his oil Rig to an old leaky desil fuled boat full of Hippies. He,he,he.

But the point remains, it's up to the average joe to make a few smater environmental choices. As much as I would love one of the new Volvo SUV's. I will wait untill there is a comparible Hydrogen powered version.

50% of man made green house gases come from cars. There is already a viable alternative and buy 2008 every person in north america will have a choice when buying a car. Hydrogen or gas. Their may be an affordability issue, but one can always go used ofter a few years.

I will be renovating my 5th house in 4 years buy early 2005. I'm going on #3 this fall. When #5 comes along I will be looking into Solar power and using a Hydrogen Furnace I just found out is available. I will be off the grid and producing enough power to supply my neighbors. Buy the way there are already a few people off the grid in my city, just found that out through a radio program I was listening to the other day.

That's right, Lim, let the the free market decide. My wife's father is one of the biggest strawberry farmers in the world. He does a few acres of organic and the rest, non. If everyone wanted organic and was willing to pay for them, farmers would grow them.

I do have a question, though. Is "off the grid" a good idea? It seems that staying on and selling your power back to the people is more environmentally efficient. Maybe that's what you meant. I know that's what folks do down here.

I believe that limoric is still on the grid, if its like systems like in CA. I dont really think you can deliver energy directly to your neighbors, but its shared by others in your area. Which does include your neighbors. I'm just guessing...

Sketcha,

You guessed it. Only we're 10 years behind California in solar power and the power Co.'s don't make it very easy yet to sell the power to them. But it is possible and as the trend grows, the power Co.'s will have a new cheap source in which to access more power.

I heard on the news today that some scientist has developed a material for the body of cars made from hemp that is as strong as steel and of course rust and dent resistant. It is said that within a few years, up to 30% of a car could be made of this material.

So I guess the Hippies of the past will be driving it instead of smoking it.

Tobasco,

Know where a lot of California's power comes from? yep, good old Alberta. We're on the same grid. When we have power outages, so do parts of LA. I know we supply power to other parts but, I only know of LA because it always makes the news out here. Hmmm... what a coincedent. You take Wayne Gretsky from us, we knock out your power. Any other Hockey players your interested in. Hehehe.

Heck limoric, maybe someday you will have put energy into the grid that I will use! Ya never know...