I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all...

Sounds real good to me. Do you think that 'God' should be removed from the pledge?

Mag

Oh hell no! I also here the Supreme Court has decided to hear the case. Finally!

No! I think we should add Brahma,Allah and the All Powerful Force. Or maybe where the word God is, we could put: "State your deity here".

X...by any and all this is an english speaking...christian country....that is overwhelmingly tolerant of other heritages, languages and religions...and their rights are protected within our systems as much as ours....those insisting on preference by exclusions or denial of the historical beliefs should not prevail....when I go to a Mexican food resturant I should not complain that there are enchiladas on the menu but no sushi

Why is it that we have to be tollerant of Islam, budah, satanism, etc, etc. Yet Christianity and its teachings are thrown out the window.

Nice analogy Phenix

My god (ironic, no?)! How many times do we have to revisit the FACT that we are not a xian nation? Where does it say that we are a xian nation? Spare me the 'the word god is in documents'...that just says the rhetoric and style of the day used those phrases. Where does it say 'this country is xian' in any document? Nowhere. Because this isn't.

Christians are the majority. Yes, y'all have made that clear. But we have a constitution to protect certain principles (namely, the freedom of and from state religion) from majoritarian force.

As for tolerance of other views, witness what has and will unfold in this thread for evidence of not-so-tolerance of other religious views.

Why do xians have to have their hands in EVERYTHING? Do your church thing and leave us alone. If you need to pray at school, pray in your car or in a bathroom stall. Leave the classroom to learning history, art, math, biology, and so on. If you want a theocracy, go start another country.

John

The word for today is....xian




Will that be egg-drop or wonton soup?

In God We Trust

One Nation Under God

God Bless America

As God is my witness...

Place your left hand on the Bible, raise your right hand and repeat after me...

I belive in this country and what it stands for. Yes this country was made for people of all kinds and backgrounds to be FREE. However is freedom realy free??
I don't belive we should be able to tell people "you must say the pledge of legions" if you don't belive in God, well that's your perogative, and you should be able to choose! However I don't think we should be able to just erase the pledge, and tell people that because the word "God" is in it, it goes against religious freedom!
This country was founded by Christian men, escaping religious persecution, so everythimg this men grafted had their belifs in it. Why do we allways bitch and complain. GET OVER IT!!
I myself belive in ONE God, all powerfull, omnipresent, I belive that he is the only way. But I cannot make others belive the same way I do, nor do I expect everyone. But onthe other hand, why should my rights be any less than those of a muslim or an atheist? I have rights as well!!! Am I not as important because of what I choose to belive?

The point I (and jdrabinski,I think) want to make, is We need to be INCLUSIVE in our patriotic dialog. By making it Christian, we EXCLUDE large segments of the populace. The face of America is constantly changing. It's always been that way. Accept it. Embrace it. Make our new neighbors feel welcome. It wasn't done for the Germans, Italians and Jews. Why do you want to perpetuate that old exclusionary xenophobic mindset?

"Make our new neighbors feel welcome"

Yep, that's what I'm getting at. Well-put, direct and straightforward.

John

This country has already capitulated. We try to be PC for fear someone will sue us.

We no longer celebrate Christmas. We now have to celebrate the "Holiday Season" In my HOA, we can not put out ANY typical Christian decorations, trees, Santa etc, for fear we may offend someone. Lights, wreaths and a bit of garland is all we are allowed to install.

I hear more and more people say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. This is total B.S.!!!!

If we go to a Muslim or other country they would not change thier way of doing things. They go so far as to demand we do not practice our religion, but when they come here the expect and demand us to bend over for them. F'CK Them!!

Sorry XDog. That's not one of my unalieniable rights, I don't have to bend for anyone! If you want to bend, get bent all you want!

Don't Tread On Me!

it does not say "One Nation, under Jesus Christ." It is "...under GOD." GOD does not mean it has to be the Christian God, or any other GOD. There are many, many religions out there. Let the God be the GOD of your choosing, but don't just get rid of it.

Anyone name this document? Does anyone read this and understand this anymore? If not, then perhaps the WRONG people are here and THEY need to LEAVE!

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these colonies solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. (PAY ATTENTION EVERYONE, HERE COMES THE HOOK!)And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

For a little more clarification:
http://www.postersfromtheheart.com/divine_providence.htm 

Tarheel ... your point is very well taken

I'm old enough to have learned the pledge of allegiance BEFORE the phrase "under God" was added to it ... and I SPECIFICALLY remember it was said that this reference to "God" was NOT any particular faith's idea of a divine/supreme entity, but to a univeral God ...

"...fortunes..." Bill Gates owes me some money:-)

thanks, old timer.

;-)

RDC...United we conquer...divided we fall.

I agree. The UNITED States of America is a great place. What I do see is that the influx of non-Christian beliefs being forceably incorporated into our daily lives is DIVIDING this country.

Live Long and Prosper