BTW, there are a few people on here I owe a couple of gars to to cover postage, on some gifts, and a few gratitude bombs I feel the need to send. I blew up my budget on the auctions this payday, and will catch up on the mail come the first. I've emailed the people in question, but want to make sure no one thinks I forgot!

Pat,

you have his name and address so file a complaint with the post office. Basically you have a case of mail fraud which I believe is a federal offense. You have correspondence between yourself and the other individual that laid out the terms of the trade. It's no different that someone making a purchase via the mail and then not sending the check. If it was done intentionally, then it's fraud.

Only one problem with that.... The way I understand it your not supposed to send cigars through the mail. I know we all do. But if you told the postal clerk what was in the box theres a good chance they wouldn't accept it. Am I wrong on this one?

ajeroth

I just thought I would toss my .02 worth here.

Send cigars thru the mail mmm I will let someone else handle that one, can you say CBID 🙂

I JUST now figured out I need to keep better track of the gifts sent my way. So I started to attach a little label that I used for the box pass with the persons name on the smoke. I try and respond to the folks that sent me a gift AND I try and NEVER give away a gift smoke that I haven't tried. I figure "you" were nice enough to send it to me I should try it at least. As far as getting back at someone I tried that with fbcoach and he made me feel like " Cool Hand Luke" in the fight scene with George Kennedy. And DMV I still have to get to MDR to hear that cd and fire up that Full Sail. But I said that's where I will smoke it and that is how it shall be!

Lets just see where this one ends up.

Honestly I am not looking to kill this guy or see him face federal charges. I do however want my two Cuban Monte #2s back considering I gave him 2 of 4 that I had and the other 6 good cigars that I gave him just to be nice. Ither that or a fair amount of great sticks to compensate and even out the trade. Which is all that I was looking for to begin with.



I will not file charges. His guilt is enough for me. As for the sticks. Well, I will be willing to trade with someone else. No regrets about the trade. It just sucks that I got burnt on my first trade.

... and it should not have happpened, patman ... never ... but especially on your first trade.

People who 'stiff' others are not capable of 'guilt' or remorse for doing what they did ...

... unfortuantely ... it's not in their character.

Thnaks man... I think you are probably right...

I feel for you man! I've been blessed to have only dealt with true BOTL on here!

we sometimes learn our lessons the hard way - unfortunate, but look at it this way, lessons that we have learned the hard way are lessons that we tend to REMEMBER 🙂 from what I have read and from the experiences that Clive has had - there are MANY great BOTL out here that are awesome to trade with - so am sure you will have a lot better luck with the next trade you do !!!!!

If you don't post his name and address, he will get someone else. Make every effort to contact him first, then out him.

I understand Slim. However, I recall a certain BOTL going in for an emergency Quad bypass if memory serves. I don't think they brought him a laptop to the operating or recovery room.

When he regained his coherency many days later, he posted several apologies here and promises to catch up and I'm sure that he did.

I'm not excusing anyone and I don't know what length of time we're talking about here, but sometimes, however rare things happen that are out of our control.

Now on the flip side. If this guy is a thief, then we should sting him up by his balls and parade him through town. I, myself was very leary in the beginning to trade with anyone without getting to know them first for this reason. Now I have gained a good level of comfort with many folks here and am considering it.

JM $.02

Patman I've looked at all your posts and I see that you have only been posting for this past month.

Meaning what?

sketcha

i'm sure that was me and i did send out the cigars i owed, not trades, but the football pool.

Johnfs,

Pardon my ignorance but what is the point in your post?

Needless to say, you are correct. I have only been on this site for about a month. I noticed a post that was titled ISOM or seaking ISOM or something along those lines. Anyway, I replied and he e-mailed his home address and there it was. I sent the box of goodies and my backside has been killing me ever since.

So, like I said its been a month since I sent the cigars and I wand him to hold up his end of the bargin.

Is this a problem or am I wrong here in some way?

patman... what I think john was getting at is you state that this was a trade with someone on here.. yet you have only been here for a month or so.. and then you state that it was a trade seeking ISOM or ISOM.. yet unless you go by a different username.. doing a Search / patman /all messages nothing comes up... but of course you come up on threads where patman username is not listed.. one thing about Ol'Cbid... I think they log all messages by the users puter tag ID rather than their name...

So please like others have asked you.. point out this thread so we all can know who and what this bad trader is all about so no one else gets burned!!!!

and please help me get rid of this Gut feeling, you came onto posting this thread because of possible bitterness on other events on this forum???

I personally would not use my Morgage payment to buy Cigars to make someone feel better about me and my dealings... well personally I wouldn't get involved in a deal unless I had the product already in my grasps to square off the deal...

but thats just me...

please do pull up this thread for all of us.. because I cannot seem to locate it.. and I can go back to threads of CBids first postings...

Thanks
Hog

Post his address. Maybe he needs to hear the finer points of cigar trading, rather than just read them.

Hog,

First of all I really don’t have any bitter feelings about anyone. Not even the guy that stiffed me on our trade.

Second of all I do plan to post his name and address after Wednesday to see if he is going to come through or not.

As for my Mortgage payment, I would ask that you take a step back here for a moment. I made a statement (On a completely different thread) that was supposed to be humorous and you are manipulating it to be negative and pointed. This is not me and does not reflect the person that I am. If you knew me you would know that I say what I feel and harbor little or no resentment even when others feel that its warranted.


The trader in question? I have stated that he is not trading on the boards any more and if I see him you can be rest assured that I would take the opportunity to make my request known. So I don't feel that there is any real concern for someone getting burnt. If there were I would speak up sooner.


Lastly, As for your gut feelings and the post you are trying to locate. Your feelings regardless of their origination are not my concern. However I must say that I cant even find the thread it was on but I will be seeking advice as soon as Wednesday rolls around if I’m still light the sticks I was promised.

If I have offended you then I do apologize, however don’t assume that you really know, or should I say don’t verbalize your assumptions publicly without asking the individual or individuals involved to verify your thoughts. This is common courtesy especially in an environment such as a forum as we do not have the benefit of nonverbal communications. Without this common courtesy insults can multiply quickly and accusations will surly fly. This is a great place and I would hate to see that happen.

Again, I am not angry or offended. I am just speaking my mind, so there is no need to try and read it. Typically, I am an open book and anything goes.

Patman

Patman, there's an old saying that a man's word is the greatest gift that he can give to HIMSELF. This fellow's behavior may be pathological (knows the difference between right vs. wrong but chooses to ignore it, such as a Slick Willy), but you may want to send him a final e-mail before you post him.

There's also a "scumbags and bad traders" page on: members.cox.net/ormazd/scumbagpage.htm. Good luck.

Right on. I have e-mailed him twice in the last week and no responce as of yet. I figure if he aint checked his e-mail by then or stopped by c-bid to check the boards, then I'm gonna out him.