18delta
21 years ago
this has to be the greatest gathering of generous botls i've ever seen. i've always thought that you trade or buy your way up, be generous with what you have, and it will come to you in spades. not only in cigars, but in friendships. i've never asked for anything that i was not willing to trade for or buy. most guys here are more than generous and have been so with me. i do believe, however, that you should always mind your manners.......for example; do not ask for free cigars as if someone should roll out the red carpet for you, do not expect more than you should (self-explanatory), and above all else DO NOT BE RUDE OR OTHERWISE TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE MUCH LONGER THAN YOU. while there is no king of the board and noone rules the site (except for c-bid), there are certain rules of etiquette one should follow. if you should receive a rebuke from someone, do not jump to battle stations immediately. sometimes you must eat a little ****. i have argued many times w/botls on here and most of the time, it is all in good humor. hell, i even like rickmaven. we have argued over and over and have gotten very nasty with one another. but i actually like going back and forth with him and i don't think he is half as bad as he likes everybody to think.........

i just think that it is very rude if you are new to try and blast a relative vet if he/she has said something that you may perceive as snide/rude/insulting/etc. i am always the first to jump in a good fight. however, i try not to do it until i know that someone is completely out of line and deserves a good lashing. maybe we should all take a moment and make sure before making an ass of ourselves, that a remark directed in our way was really meant to be insulting etc., or if it was in jest. there are alot of royal smartasses on this forum and that is one reason i like it. i think it is as funny as it gets. i do not agree with all these guys in every aspect of life by any means, but i think some of the one's i disagree with the most are the most hilarious. i say alot of things that some may consider snide, etc., but i usually do not mean to start ****. if you are relatively new though, and you do not like the kind of no-holds-barred chats we have here.....where anyone can jump in whether invited or not.........you should find another place to dwell. i like this place and the people here even with all the other.......it is very entertaining.
i will be the first to come to the defense of a botl who is a friend or even an acquaintance who is ambushed. but i will also come to the defense of anyone who i feel is being done wrong intentionally. there are very few here who actually have malice in their words........but many more who don't. i am also a smartass of the first order. i give people hell all the time. i have fun giving lovely and others hell. but it is all in fun. there are some i have run into before who i would love to strangle but i usually stay away from them......


lot's of folks do not take kindly to slim's remarks about this and that.......heel, he's been here alot longer than me, so i would probably "eat a little ****" rather than jump down his throat. unless, of course, i thought he was just trying to provoke me. he actually helped me out onetime when noone else did. i probably owe him one or two for that. i do not believe he has any malice in him either. he is a very knowledgeable and opinionated guy whose experience i find helpful.

the point is, have a little more respect for the more "seasoned" on the board and do not be so quick to draw conclusions as to one's motives or meanings.

sorry, for all this rambling, but i've had enough of this crap for awhile. hope i did not offend anyone, as that was not my intent. i also hope i am not guilty of the same direspect i described here. i just want this siteto be a little more enjoyable place for all..........a place where you can post without worry over stupid ****.

thank you very much,
delta
lukin
21 years ago
I have been on the boards for ten months now and never got a "newbie" package...I have been fortunate to recieve some great cigars from some great BOTL's on the list. There are many people here who are extremely generous and kindhearted and I am grateful for it.

That being said, I think that it's comepletely wrong for anyone to whine about how they didn't get their newbie package. Do you realize what a "newbie package" would cost a person? Most people on the list send at least twenty dollars worth of cigars per package and the shipping alone is usually over four dollars. If you want a package from a kindhearted person....earn it. Offer up something, even is it's just advice or your humor. There are plenty of people on the list that deserve free cigars and most of them are the people that are giving them out. Don't take advantage of their generosity because you feel left out.
cigarkid22
21 years ago
To all you people who post on here that can read, blacky, wes, schmitty, I have offered my place down in florida for you snow birds to come and enjoy the heat. All you Senior members had to say in a kind way is that, to get gars here that there is no tradition of a Newbie Package, Did not beg for anything. You so called men over-react when simple direction would have been great. I can care less what you all have to say about this miscommunication, i will just continue to buy on C-BID and leave all you alone.
blackfoot11
21 years ago
i gave you direction the 1st time you jumped me.

told ya to back off, and look what happened.
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don't blame others for something you decided to overlook. direction was given, and you didn't take it.

bye-bye.
pabloescabar
21 years ago
hey kid, don't go. stick around, that's just how it is. people's just giong ta have a little fun at other,s excpence by expressing them self's. you'is bigger than that cuz.

aloha,
pablo
cexshun
21 years ago
cigarkid, I don't think any of the above posts were overly harsh. Everyone was, as you say, giving direction. You have to admit, it's shady when someone's goal here is to get free cigars.

I think what everyone here is trying to say is that you have to make connections with the BOTL here. My first post went several comments deep before homebrew bombed me. And that post wasn't about getting free gars, I was simply introducing myself. Open yourself up a bit. Let your personality show. Perhaps instead of friends coming to you, try to make connections yourself. If someone is posting a trade, drop them an email just to say hi. Something as simple as "I saw you were trading xxxx. I love these, but they are way to expensive for me. Do you have any suggestions on a cheaper alternative?". You'd be surprised how many people here love to have conversation about absolutely nothing.
Hell, 18delta was in my box pass. We exchanged a handful of emails just BSing, and now I'm on his xmas list. Things tend to work out when your goal is friendship and not free gars. But when you do begin to receive free gars, it's expected you play the game and reciprocate.

You did invite BOTL to your house, which is a nice gesture. However, in the same breath you stated that the admission fee is cigars. This can be taken as you inviting people with the goal of free gars. Again, this goes back to the friendship vs free gars issue. If I know a BOTL's friendship is based on them getting free gars, then I do not want that friendship.
cigarkid22
21 years ago
I do not take direction from little men, sorry bigger then that, you are a weak man blacky standing behind baggering woman, and pablo is kid is not going anywhere PEACE!!!

cigarkid22
21 years ago
I do not take direction from little men, sorry bigger then that, you are a weak man blacky standing behind baggering woman, and pablo is kid is not going anywhere PEACE!!!

cigarkid22
21 years ago
I do not take direction from little men, sorry bigger then that, you are a weak man blacky standing behind baggering woman, and pablo is kid is not going anywhere PEACE!!!

cigarkid22
21 years ago
thanks cexshun for your comments, and how to do this, I do appreciate your input, have great holidays and thanks again for taking time for a TRUE NEWBIE,
cexshun
21 years ago
cigarkid22, you also have a happy holiday!
ryantp
21 years ago
delta: i will be taking your advice to heart.

ryan.
KNOF
21 years ago
I never got newbie package!!! Waaaaaaaaaaa!
Will someone send me a newbie package? Pleassssssssssse! I was a newbie once, and there are so many cigars I'm a newbie too, heheheeeee!!!

OBTW, I did send (hand) my cigar to SteveS, have you?
blackfoot11
21 years ago
LMAO @ knof not gettin a newb pack.. just fir that, i think i'm gonna bomb him!
Charlie
21 years ago
LIke Keith (KNOF) I never received my newbie package 4 or 5 years ago when I joined the board.......double waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

ROTFL and LOL!

Happy Holidays to all of you newbies, oldies, BOTLs and SOTLs! I love this place!

Charlie
KNOF
21 years ago
Heck Charlie, the day you got your herfin shirt, they knew better with you, LOL!

Happy Holidays to you too.
sketcha
21 years ago
Hey, I didn't get one either. Been here almost 2 years, myself. I demand reparations!!!

Hey kid,

Like Pablo said, stick around. But you should try to thicken up your skin. A little good natured ribbing is extremely common around here, but you shouldn't let it get you down.

Happy Holidays

cexshun
21 years ago
A little ribbing bever hurt anyone. Ever heard of "ribbed for her pleasure"?

Yeah, I like to turn those inside out!
cigarkid22
21 years ago
thanks to Pablo, cexshun, sketcha for your support, I am not going anywhere, I appreciate your support, my home is open to any of you for a winter herf, thanks again
lofty1
21 years ago
you know, kid, you show us some cleavage and . . .




just kidding, red. please don't hurt me for this.
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