RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:39:00 AM
eviljar.......I got his point, but as adroomi said it's fairly universally accepted that genocide is wrong. Explaining why or how we as a society came to the conclusion that mass murder is bad strikes me as a stupid question. Why is rape wrong? Why is stealing wrong? Do we really need to break down the reasons behind the evilness of these actions?

mo'sman.......Yes. I am wanting to know how you come to those very conclusions.

eviljar.......What he said was still rascist and ignorant. I'm not even jewish and i found his smug response repulsive. I'm not even sure it was his intent to be offensive, but the bottom line is, that it was, and he should apologise.

mo'sman......wake up and remove your head from your duffel bag. I'm not going to apologise until you tell me why Hitler was wrong. Whining and crying all over your pillow won't do it.

lofty.......simple. we set up rules. society is collectively willing to accept certain behavior and unwilling to accept other behavior. usually, we are willing to accept much more than we consider to be morally right. now, what we are and are not willing to accept is largely based on what we find to be moral and ethical, but that fact that there is so much diversity within a given population of what is moral and ethical dictates that we must allow behavior that many will find is against their own moral values.

mo'sman.......that simply creates the dilemma again. In Hitler's society it was OK to exterminate Jews.

ryanpeterson.......The problem with this thread is that it was started by someone that isn't intelligent or informed enough to participate in it. Adroomi tried. Lofty is participating well, and there have been a handful of other great comments that have been on topic. But, Mo'sMan can only take swipes at people - sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly.

mo'sman.......and your comment on my intellect shows your hypocrisy. I could care less how your mommy told you to feel about me. When can we expect some interaction instead of your sniveling?

ryan.......Regardless, its an interesting philosophical topic with no right/wrong answer.

mo'sman.......then how do you call my actions wrong?

eviljar.......Mo- Maybe your parents should teach you to be a little less insulting(i.e. class). Read lofty's response, it was excellent. To add, as a whole, there are many universal crimes that all socities shun. Find me a country that has rape, theft, and genocide written into it's laws. I bet you can't. These things happen in all socities and are punished depending on the laws that exist in the given area.

mo'sman.......pre-civilisation didn't have laws, period. In some places slavery, female servitude, killing christians merely for their religious preference, and raising your children to become suicide bombers is accepted as proper. Is it? Oh, and my parents raised me to whip your tail.......is that OK?

eviljar.......Explaining why we instinctively know these are wrong is beyond me. As far as genocide goes, i've never heard of an animal species killing itself off. Perhaps some we can say some morales are instinct.

mo'sman.......ask any evolutionist how we got to be so good. Survival of the fittest. We exploited our resources better, exploited other species better, and at times, killed other humans better. naturalism has no legs to stand on........something the atheists need to take heed of.

eviljar.......Regardless your smack against the holocaust was tasteless. The fact you won't admit it says a lot about you as a person. You might as well go and insult the kurds, native americans, africans, and the turks while your at it. There are better ways of proving a point than insulting the most tragic event of the last century.

mo'sman.......I never did. You need tolarn to read. Now quit crying. Oh, and why was Hitler wrong.......didn't his society allow it?

Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:41:00 AM
absolutely........maybe not to an atheist without grounds to fabricate ehtics.......but it's not a criteria for posting on this board.
EvilJAR
Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:49:00 AM
Rick, you are a saint compared to this guy. Hope the fish are biting.
adroomi
Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:51:00 AM
Mo,

Are you back to that white supremacist neo nazi crap of yours again? Didn't you and I go through this just a few weeks ago when you were busted following the words and leadership of a known radical white supremacist?

Man, quit trying to prove that Hitler was justified due to scripture. You are abusing the Christian faith in the most horrendous of methods and for the most evil of reasons.

I don't agree with some of the religious jokes and pictures that are posted here, as they are offensive to those of faith, but this is the second time you have tried to raise Hitler's justifications due to Moral or Religious doctrine.

I know what you are, I saw right through you a month ago. I researched you and your buddy, and I know what your are attempting to do. Just because some racist can brainwash you, doesn't mean that you can do it to anyone on this board.

Take a hike and go **** yourself you white power ****!

EvilJAR
Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:54:00 AM
Well said.
ryantp
Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:55:00 AM
Adroomi: would it be possible for you to email me?

ryantpederson at yahoo.

RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:00:00 AM
EvilJAR

i am forced to sit by the phone waiting for some lab results that are of some importance to me.

this mornings fishing is a way to keep my mind on something more pleasant then how slow an office worker that knows how to handle a fax machine can be.

i caught almost 30 fish in less then 45 minutes. admittedly, i am using two hooks.

some i had to throw back, they were too small.

lofty1
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:03:00 AM
do you guys honestly believe he's a neo-nazi? maybe i haven't read enough of his posts, but that's not what i see. i believe he's pushing more of a christian agenda. i think he's trying to get people to say that they believe the bible is the root of morals and ethical behavior. maybe i'm just missing something here.

also, i don't think he has ever disrespected the jews. i think he's simply using the holocaust to make a point. if i'm missing something, please tell me because my head is spinning from how the tones toward him have turned so quickly to evil. i'm seeing a lot of hate here, and i can't figure out why.

adroomi
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:25:00 AM
Lofty,

http://www.cigarbid.com/auction/forum/forum.cfm?action=list&forumID=9&messageDisplay=0000000035824 

It's the thread titled "Ethical Epistemology" Please read the entire thread slowly and accurately.

In this thread Mo is talking of "natural selection" and "the dilemma" just as he is here. The papers he posted are written by a known white supremacist. Natural Selection and The Dilemma are well-known "buzz" words used to recruit in todays hate groups. The most powerful tool used is the Bible and religion itself. Mo has obviously been influenced by this freak he claims to be "friends" with, and has made several attempts to bring this train of thought to this board.

I'm an ****, I'm arrogant, and I'm rude. I know this. However, I don't tolerate hate groups, and I will point them out when I see them.

Re-read all of Mo's threads and you will find a curious amount of talk of "the dilemma" and other such connotations.

Yes, he is a neo nazi.....just not a very smart one.

lofty1
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:27:00 AM
wow, i had no idea. i will read that. yeah, i'm an ****, too. i just wish more of us could admit it.
Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:37:00 AM
adroomi.......In this thread Mo is talking of "natural selection" and "the dilemma" just as he is here. The papers he posted are written by a known white supremacist. Natural Selection and The Dilemma are well-known "buzz" words used to recruit in todays hate groups. The most powerful tool used is the Bible and religion itself. Mo has obviously been influenced by this freak he claims to be "friends" with, and has made several attempts to bring this train of thought to this board.

mo'sman.......quit stroking 11 year old little girls. I asked before for evidence of anything racist from me, or my friend, and you never offered nothing. Now, get off those four year olds and seek serious help you perverted communist.

Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:38:00 AM
adroomi.......Man, quit trying to prove that Hitler was justified due to scripture. You are abusing the Christian faith in the most horrendous of methods and for the most evil of reasons.

mo'sman.......never said anything of the sort. if I did, please quoe me. if you can't, I'll just have to keep believing you are hopped up on coke again and molesting thre year olds, because it's OK in your society.

Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:41:00 AM
lofty.......do you guys honestly believe he's a neo-nazi? maybe i haven't read enough of his posts, but that's not what i see. i believe he's pushing more of a christian agenda. i think he's trying to get people to say that they believe the bible is the root of morals and ethical behavior. maybe i'm just missing something here.

also, i don't think he has ever disrespected the jews. i think he's simply using the holocaust to make a point. if i'm missing something, please tell me because my head is spinning from how the tones toward him have turned so quickly to evil. i'm seeing a lot of hate here, and i can't figure out why.

mo'sman.......you sir can read. Now if we could just get the others to follow. The only haters are the ones without grounds for their intolerance. Adroomi, ryanpeterhead, wagner the momma's boy, ricky nambla-master.......none have ever told me why it's wrong. they have attacked and done everything BUT interact.

adroomi
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:41:00 AM
...anything racist from you?

How about "Hitler was justified" and "it's justified (murdering of Jews) in MY society."

Those are direct from you.

Are those okay or do you need more?

Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:41:00 AM
for clarity, I'm not a racist. One of my children isn't all white. Yikes, sorry to burst your stuoidity bubble adroomi.
Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:42:00 AM
adroomi.......more than "i said so" please. I never claimed Hitler was justified. It is your belief system that allows that. you know, "society decides"?
adroomi
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:46:00 AM
Do you hate Jews, ****s, and Spics Mo?

Answer the question.

Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:47:00 AM
adroomi.......I have, three times in three different threads now. Remove your hatred for everything good blinders and read.
Mo'sMan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:49:00 AM
now when can I expect the evidence that I am a racist? Or did you misread a hypothetical dilemma?
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Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:55:00 AM
adroomi... I guess it is ok for you to break the forum rules of racial slurs when you claim to be on their side and defending them in the form of a question

But I doubt you would enter a bar in any US inner city and pose that same question out loud