RICKAMAVEN
Friday, August 16, 2002 9:07:00 PM
In effect, the Bush administration insists, any American can be jailed without charge, without bail, without a hearing and without a lawyer, forever, if necessary, on the say-so of a mid-level Pentagon official named Michael H. Mobbs.

Mobbs is described as special adviser to the undersecretary of defense for policy. Mobbs decides who is an "unlawful enemy combatant," a phrase without any real legal meaning but one the Justice Department cites as reason enough to indefinitely hold a 21-year-old American-born Saudi incommunicado in a windowless cell.

And what precisely makes a person an "unlawful enemy combatant"? The government can't say. National security, you know.

Yaser Esam Hamdi was captured in Afghanistan and shipped to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He was then sent to a Navy brig in Norfolk, Va., when his interrogators discovered that by virtue of being born here he could claim American citizenship - and, one would think, the fundamental constitutional protections like access to a lawyer - that go with it.

Federal Judge Robert Doumar, who is emerging as something of a hero in this chilling assertion of unchecked executive power to imprison, has twice ordered that Hamdi be allowed to see a federal public defender.

The government appealed, and the circuit court ordered Doumar to give the Justice Department a greater opportunity to make its case. The government got that chance Tuesday, and Doumar not only seemed unconvinced, he seemed disgusted.

The government case was a sparse two-page "declaration of facts" from Mobbs that the judge found shot through with "substantial" omissions. Not surprisingly, Doumar concluded that the omissions were because the government had something to hide. Nonetheless, said the government, that was all the judge was getting.

Doumar said that the Hamdi case was without precedent. Nowhere could he find a case where a prisoner was subjected to such an abrogation of rights. Hamdi, who hasn't been accused of anything, has fewer rights - actually no rights - than a convicted felon.

Said the judge, "I do think that due process requires something other than a basic assertion by someone named Mobbs that they have looked at some papers and therefore have determined that (Hamdi) should be held incommunicado."

Doumar says he will rule again in a few days. When he does, he should not only reassert Hamdi's right to a lawyer but order him brought before the court to be charged, released or sent back to Guantanamo as a prisoner of war.

A fundamental principle is at stake here. Because of the Mobbs memo, the judge asked the government: "The Constitution doesn't apply to Hamdi?" The government declined to answer, but we will: Yes, it does. It's frightening that the judge even has to ask.

jjohnson28
Friday, August 16, 2002 10:31:00 PM
Care to post your source?
RICKAMAVEN
Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:57:00 AM
The Herald, ROCK HILL, SC, 8/14/2002
jjohnson28
Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:36:00 PM
Post a link. You don't actually think I'm going to search for this drivel,do you?
RICKAMAVEN
Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:58:00 AM
try copying the source and pasting it on a search engine, and see what happens.

learn to educate yourself.

jjohnson28
Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:00:00 PM
Like I said you don't actually expect me to search for this drivel do you. LOL at least I know where the shift key is.
RICKAMAVEN
Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:34:00 PM
jjohnson28

it's "as i said"

I will in the future use capital letters for you posts. I believe you have the right to expect proper use of capital letters and I will accomodate you.

tailgater
Monday, August 19, 2002 6:34:00 PM
yeah, we better watch out. The Bush Administration is gonna knock on your door tonite and hold you in jail without cause. No fear mongering here.
RICKAMAVEN
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:00:00 AM
tailgater---do you sometimes lose continuity?
Mr.Mean
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:51:00 AM
The rights of a terrorist, amusing.
RICKAMAVEN
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:21:00 AM
Mr.Mean

thanks for joining what up till now has been a boring 2 way nothing.

please expand, i am sure i have missed the point of your comment.

jjohnson28
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:17:00 PM
Seems pretty clear to me.
Mr.Mean
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:59:00 AM
You are obviously promoting that this terrorist be given rights as though he was a common criminal. He was re-captured in a terrorist prisoner uprising in Afghanistan. HE'S A TERRORIST. He should fall under the category of prisoner of war, not US citizen.
RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:21:00 AM
Mr.Mean

i see your point now. thanks for the explaination.

Mr.Mean
Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:50:00 AM
Does this mean you don't love me anymore?
jimmy@ctconnect.com
Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:53:00 AM
IMHO:

He shouldn't even be allowed to receive the P.O.W. status as it would afford him additional priviledges that I don't feel he deserves.

Charlie
Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:42:00 AM
Rick, you would probably be happier living in Isreal or the Middle East where you would have all the rights and freedoms that you claim we are losing! What crap! Learn to accept the times and what we must do to protect God fearing and honest Americans and quit whinning for the few riff raffs that are being "detained" against their "rights"! Charlie
Charlie
Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:52:00 AM
Rick, any shot you can take at the Administration, no matter how silly, you bomb away! Isn't it nice to have that freedom? Think you could do that in Iraq? Then quit supporting the rights of Terrorist and other nuts that are out to disrupt our country! Charlie
eleltea
Saturday, August 24, 2002 1:13:00 PM
Rick, don't worry. We will bail you out if it takes ten years.
RICKAMAVEN
Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:56:00 AM
charkie

i am not god fearing. i don't even deal with the concept of god.

i don't whine i yell.

who said they are "riff-raff". ashcroft?

who will speak for you if you are detained?