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wheelrite
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#21

Wheel this is a new stick hommie.

They call it a double espresso 1666

What I was talking about was the OG 1666 not this one. OG is a yard gar at best...this one who knows!

ZRX1200 wrote:

got it..

It'a sub par smoke,,,

Graycliff has sold it's soul to the interweb...

05busa
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#22

Not that Busa or any of you don't know this or care to not know this but... The double espresso is a size. Espresso is a blend.

So suck a fat shorty and say hehe and all that crap you perch turd!

bdrizzle wrote:

double espresso is a size??

DaQueenBeez
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#23

double espresso is a size??

05busa wrote:

Apparently so. A couple years ago I think (don't quote me) it was just a special size in the Espresso line that was exclusive to CI. Now it appears to be a size that they're using in several lines.

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#24

Many times, cigar makers will have their cigars made in other factories. For example, CAO Vision was made by La Aurora in the Dominican. Casa Magna is made by Nestor Plasencia, outside of the Dominican, for Manuel Quesada. Rocky Patel cigars are made all over the place, in factories owned by other cigar-makers and manufacturers. This happens often. However, it does not make the cigar any less CAO, Rocky Patel, Manuel Quesada, or Graycliff. In addition to making cigars in the Bahamas, they also manufacturer cigars in other factories in order to offer more variety at a lower price to the consumer. When you only have a dozen rollers (literally) it is difficult to make enough cigars to meet demand for certain brands. So they utilize another facility's operations, but help maintain the production, blend, and quality control.

SteveR@CigarBid wrote:

]How Many Angels Can Sit On The Head Of A Pin?

Just address the real issue directly! CI's description is materially innacurate. Any customer who relied upon it in anyway has the right to a refund. At best, CI was negligent. At worst, it knew its text was wrong and/or intentionally failed to correct it or knowingly mislead its customer(s)- that is commonly known a fraud.

Yet, another fine lost CI opportunity to show how much CI cares about its customers. Keep up the great work!

Edited by user 15 years ago | Reason: Not specified

wheelrite
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#25

How Many Angels Can Sit On The Head Of A Pin?

Just address the real issue directly! CI's description is materially innacurate. Any customer who relied upon it in anyway has the right to a refund. At best, CI was negligent. At worst, it knew its text was wrong and/or intentionally failed to correct it or knowingly mislead its customer(s)- that is commonly known a fraud.

Yet, another fine lost CI opportunity to show how much CI cares about its customers. Keep up the great work!

rfenst wrote:

We now have a "Loser Pay Law" in Tx regarding frivolous law suits...

be cautious counselor...

Edited by user 15 years ago | Reason: Not specified

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#26

We now have a "Loser Pay Law" in Tx regarding frivolous law suits...

be cautious counselor...

wheelrite wrote:

Seems like Texas is decades behind the times on that one.

phillyjack
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

15 years ago

#27

I hope this clears up something. I got this message from Graycliff on twitter
GraycliffCigars
can you clarify which cigars you got the 1666 or Double Espresso?

Jack
Cigarbid and cigars international have them listed as such it is 1966 4X60 they have it listed as 1966 double espresso
but was confused band said hand made in Bahamas but tag in 5 pack said Honduras

GraycliffCigars
gotcha 1666 blend is made by CI under license & we make Double Espresso blend in Bahamas if not clear email me [email protected]

So the 1966 is not really made by graycliff and even the name confused Graycliff. I like this cigar personal tastes aside I just wanted to clarify were it was made. I think the band is misleading making you think you got a small factory boutique cigar from the Graycliff when it is mass produced in a large factory and doesn't even come under graycliff control this is a CI blend and product they bought the license to make these.

wheelrite
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#28

Mass produced OUTRAGE !!!!

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#29

At least the cigar band might have been made by Graycliff in the Bahamas. Maybe.

jig+pig
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#30

The DE is not only a size but....a little dif blend than the Espresso and not exclusive to any shop.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#31

If they were smart, they'd rename a town in Honduras and call it "Bahamas".
Then they could make the cigars in Honduras and keep the "made in Bahamas" logo.

Then they could package them in cellophane that is pre-colored with an amber/yellow tint.

They could even take it a step further and name one of their factory buildings as "1993" or something like that so they could brag that it was "Rolled in 1993".

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#32

Just adds to my long-standing OUTRAGE on the smoke and mirrors mystery that this industry seems to take perverse pleasure in. Maybe we need to enlist the help of International Organization for Standardization - they could institute an ISO-CIGAR. It would incorporate at a minimun, my demands for truth in advertising and state that manufacturers, distributors and/or retailers must clearly, in English (and Spanish?) disclose:

-Origin of tobacco in each blend was grown; region would be nice, but I'd settle for country, at least - separately list wrapper, binder and fller
-Where rolled; city/country
-Whose factory were they produced in
-Who grew the tobacco
-MSRP
-Name of orignal blender
-If produced as an 'exclusive' for one or more retailers

Stinkdyr
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#33

OUTSOURCE OUTRAGE !!

=;

SteveR@CigarBid
Moderator

15 years ago

#34

-Origin of tobacco in each blend was grown; region would be nice, but I'd settle for country, at least - separately list wrapper, binder and fller
-Where rolled; city/country
-Whose factory were they produced in
-Who grew the tobacco
-MSRP
-Name of orignal blender
-If produced as an 'exclusive' for one or more retailers

dstieger wrote:

This would never happen. First off, a blend is one of a cigar-maker's biggest assets. If they release info such as, region, crop, priming, year, etc....anybody can replicate their blend. Second, does all this stuff REALLY matter? Countless cigar-makers claim to have factories, but don't. They merely utilize production of factories. Countless cigar-makers claim to have fields, but most tobaccos in most cigars are from the same small handful of growers....Plasencias, Olivas, etc. So most cigar-makers are buying tobaccos from the same brokers. However, it's what they do with the tobacco once they have it that matters. Which is why this information is really useless. It really comes down to: do you like the cigar? If yes, great! If no, there's plenty more to choose from. There's no point in taking the romance out of cigars. Cigars are an experience to be enjoyed, not something to stress over and overthink. Just light up, kick back, and enjoy a short break from the daily grind with a stick you can truly appreciate for what it is. That's the beauty behind cigars.

Edited by user 15 years ago | Reason: Not specified

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#35

Right.........and one choses to spend hard earned money on a cigar based on??

Look the problem here is the label is disengenous at best. It very well may be a great smoke. But the 1666 and the DE are completely different smokes and the original question is a legitimate one.

SteveR@CigarBid
Moderator

15 years ago

#36

The Double Espresso is the size name. There is an Espresso Series Double Espresso, and a 1666 Double Espresso. Both are a size within each respective line, and they both have their respective Graycliff bands on them. Yes, they are completely different sticks, I agree with you completely, and they are written as such.

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#37

Yeah....and the espresso and double espresso are a similar blend no? One having more ligero......

So two of the three are similar.

I hear you Steve not trying to argue but new guys who can't decern hy .......uh print........are gonna bite thinking they are a similar blend. But I guess alls fair in marketing.

SteveR@CigarBid
Moderator

15 years ago

#38

Espresso Series is a line. Espresso Series Double Espresso is a size within the line, which features more ligero. It's a stronger size within the line.

1666 is another line from Graycliff. The 1666 Double Espresso is a size within the line.

The two share the same name, yes, but they are different cigars. Nowhere is the copy trying to sell the 1666 Double Espresso as the Espresso Series Double Espresso.

I guess I am just missing something in translation here. The original question had to do with the Honduras tag. If you look on our main site, you will clearly see on the left, under brand specifics, Honduras as the country of origin. The description merely describes Graycliff, since many of our customers are new to cigars or new to us....they're not all grizzled old vets that know the ins and outs of the industry - or think they do, for that matter. Therefore, we give some back history, because they're expensive....regardless of what country they come from. The Graycliff name always comes at a high cost.