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robertknyc
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#41

Besides.....I DID vote for the lesser of 2 evils last time. Yeah.......that worked out, huh? If you think Ol' Arizona Flip-Flop and the Moose Mother woulda been any different, I got some great property for ya.

JadeRose wrote:

If you think McCain would have spent money like Obama has, and made the dumb decisions on foreign policy like Obama has then I question your intelligence and/or powers of critical thinking.

Stinkdyr
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#42

You guys that continue to blame this on "liberals" or "conservatives" are high. I will not vote for a single incumbent NOR will I vote for a member of either party in the next election.

JadeRose wrote:

Welcome to the Libertarian party.........we have been expecting you.

=d>

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#43

Libertarians = pothead Republicans

ZRX1200
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#44

Jaderose = Logcabin Republican

Papachristou
Aficionado

14 years ago

#45

Vote present!

ZRX1200 wrote:

I heard obama was pissed when he found out he couldnt do that anymore after becoming potus!

Gene363
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#46

Sounds like it's high time we call out the 'civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded' as the US military.

DadZilla3 wrote:

He compromised on that too.

The escape pod: https://cigarbid.freeforums.net

drywalldog
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#47

“We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.”
Anybody know where this came from. I'll give you a hint it was on page four.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#48

It came from here:

“Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.”

It is taken out of context and making the waves of Democrat blogs. They don't mention this one:

“We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process.”

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#49

Some would actually argue that this is one of the fundamental flaws in S&P's downgrade. They assume the tax cuts will remain in place but the reality is they will expire unless extended.

dpnewell
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#50

Libertarians = pothead Republicans

HockeyDad wrote:

Fiscal responsibility, limited government, personal freedoms. Yes, I can see how you can confuse us Libertarians with the Republicans of the last 10 years. [sarcasm]

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#51

Can you imagine if the Kenyan King announced he wanted legislation to repeal NAFTA and his flawed Obamacare bills?

I think Wall Street would respond.

He won't do it though.

That would take real leadership qualities. The kind you don't find in a Chicago alley or a golf course.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#52

Repeal NAFTA and start trade wars.....the Dow will head to 5000 quickly.

Repeal Obamacare....the market would go up and companies could free up cash they're sitting on to pay for it and use that money for investment.

Stinkdyr
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#53

HockeyDad wrote:
Libertarians = pothead Republicans

Fiscal responsibility, limited government, personal freedoms. Yes, I can see how you can confuse us Libertarians with the Republicans of the last 10 years. (Sarcasm)

Freedom. whatta radical concept.

🇨🇮

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#54

HockeyDad wrote:

I disagree on the NAFTA nudge.

It would put manufacturing here in America back on track.

Google up New Balance shoe company and see what they're up against. The last American shoe company making them in the US...The Kenyan King's administration is in negoiations with Vietnam now.

CEO and CFO's across this nation are scrambling for waivers and licking their chops so they can shuck the entire benefits package down his throat. They realized after watching this stooge erode bond/share holders like it was NOTHING that they had to reserve capital for when he's out of office. They're fighting for survival and leaving him holding his big old empty bag.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#55

NAFTA created winners and losers. The eternal question is do we win more or lose more from free trade agreements. As consumers, we get dirt cheap stuff so everybody wins at a certain level. However, entire industries like clothing are destroyed and shipped overseas but we like $20 shirts and not $40 shirts. Car prices remain stable but tons of widgets and gadgets are made overseas now and those industries are heavily scaled back in the USA.

On the winning side many companies now have access to lots of foreign markets and that increases jobs here that are tied to exports and we do still do a lot of exports. some would say we export goods that are high on the food chain and import goods that are low on the food chain. It sucks if you were a maker of things low on the food chain.

The question becomes if we start canceling NAFTA and other free trade agreements, does the resulting trade wars hurt us more than help us as we now shift to destroying our export industries and rebuilding those industries that were destroyed previously.

It is not a win-win.

They got a name for the winners in the world, I want a name when I lose.
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide, call me Deacon Blues

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#56

HockeyDad wrote:

Wake Forest sucks.

That being said...you cannot create a taxable income if it's never created. The so called cheap stuff wears out faster than a Fuzz opinion post. The educated consumer is feeling it now and is hoarding cash and scaling spending.

We're watching what out corporaions are doing and taking note.

No, I say we need the manufacturing sector. We always have and we always will.

Edited by user 14 years ago | Reason: Not specified

borndead1
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#57

Wages in China have gone up like 25% in the last 8 years.

I think the U.S. will claw SOME of it's manufacturing back, but it's gonna take a while. We need more patriotic Americans to start businesses. Right now there's not much financial incentive to do so because anyone with half a brain knows that higher taxes/more regulations are coming. But, as sweatshop workers in 3rd world countries start demanding better wages and working conditions, and as more consumers start seeking out American made goods, and as small business owners start pushing back against big government, things will slowly get better.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#58

borndead1 wrote:

Funny you type this...we recently had an incident where a call center went completely offline for DAYS!!! In India I guess if the competition wants to raise the stakes and give workers a .25 an hour raise they close the town and everyone jumps.

The call center was moved to Spain and is now set up in Costa Rica!

It is my hope and desire that manufacturing can jumpstart the American machine that once was the Wall Street darling of the 50's and 60's.

I'm not silly enough to jump on the "Buy American" bandwagon because in this day and age..you really CAN'T! Components are made elsewhere, finish install on furniture from Ethan Allen? Pacific Rim now! Wiring harnesses for American cars/trucks...China! You can do your best, but the buying the cheap junk, I'm not doing it anymore. I'd rather go to yard sales and flea markets and find older vintage stuff that already lasted a lifetime and will go through another for tools and other various kitchen and handtools. I'd rather buy used than over and over again. Same goes for clothes. I'm not chasing fashion. I'll buy when I need an item from now on. Lessons learned from this dismal economy and from disconnecting the tv!

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#59

The educated consumer is feeling it now and is hoarding cash and scaling spending.

We're watching what out corporations are doing and taking note.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

That actually is worthy of an entire thread. What are consumers doing now or differently since the economy tanked and appears to remain tanked.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#60

That actually is worthy of an entire thread. What are consumers doing now or differently since the economy tanked and appears to remain tanked.

HockeyDad wrote:

Yeah...this is the kinda deep stuff we talk about when we're brewing beer, drinking and having a smoke or 3!

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