I think Rivero raises an interesting question and I still can't think of an answer beyond the obvious.

They allowed Bush to sit, reading about a pet goat, at a time and location that had been public knowledge for weeks prior to the attack! Are they just incompetent? Stupid? Or were they privy to information that allowed them to be CERTAIN he was not a target?

Any ideas? Am I missing something?

"How did the United States Secret Service Protective Detail know they did not need to immediately move the President? How did they know they did not need to toss him into his bomb-proof limo and start driving in any direction to foil a possible inbound?"

"How did the United States Secret Service Protective Detail know that by leaving the President where he was, they were not making targets of all those students and teachers?"

"How did the United States Secret Service Protective Detail KNOW FOR A FACT THAT PRESIDENT BUSH WAS NOT A TARGET THAT DAY?"

Um what day? you will have to forgive me if I don't get back to you right away. I'm off to Vegas for a few days of RnR...LOL

Vegas Baby! JJ

bomb-proof limo? LMAO!

JJ

President George Bush has not only a bomb-proof limo, but also a helicopter with bullet proof glass and armor.

They were both at that school that day. He takes them everywhere. He even takes them both overseas with him.

But he sat in a non-bombproof school until 9:30.

Remember, there were supposedly an unknown number of hijacked planes flying over the country crashing into buildings at the time.

I know, but i'm not telling.

2nd question, why were the bomb sniffing dogs removed from the building the day before.

There are hundreds of unanswered questions. Too many.

It becomes mind-boggling to consider so many suspicious circumstances.

I just want the answer to one question. Just one.

Why didn't the agents in charge of Bush's safety remove him during this attack when supposedly we had so little information at the time? Did they know something that garanteed his safety at that location?

Otherwise they were guilty of gross negligence - or so it would seem.

maybe cheney didn't care if puddin head got wacked. the middleman was no longer needed

allbidness,

The Morning of 911.. and right after the American Airlines Plane hit the first tower.. I was on the phone to my sister who worked customer service rep for AA out of Tucson.. I said to her, WTF is going on? she said back to me, I don't know.. can't really talk about it now... But the plane was hijacked and we've got some more planes that have been as well and looks like their headed for New York... about that time the second plane hit, she started crying and said she had to go...

So reasonable question in my mind is... We knew where these planes were headed.. Norad had already been alerted, Fighters from Ohio were scrambled as well as Langley to cover the air space and track these down... Flt 93 was supposidly taken over by the passangers and crashed (Hero's) or were they? everybody in America was glued to the TV screens and radio's in their cars... I still cannot keep from thinking an Ohio Based F-16 didn't smoke flt 93 out of the sky? and if it had how would the American Public view this one?

Oh and on your question.. If my Sister who works customer service for American Airlines was in the know on what and where these aircraft were.. don't you think the President's secret service and advisors also knew a bit more then she did?

Hog

Why a book about a Goat!!!

One thing you can always count on is incompetence. Those looking for conspiracy are giving too much credit to the people involved. Here in NYC the other day 70 or so people were trapped on the tram to Roosevelt Island. There are no fewer then 3 back up methedologies to keep the trams running. 2 were broken and one was out being serviced. Coincendence of incompetence does not a conspiracy make. There are many unaswered questions from that day and they will remain unanswered so there will always be plenty of grease to fuel the conspiracy machine. The biggest conspiracy is thinking people are competent enough to do their jobs on a regular basis and expecting them to rise to the occasion during extremes.

People invent conspiracies because they refuse to believe we're so vulnerable. They refuse to believe that a few insignificant psychotic muslims could create such panic, death, and destruction to a nation that perceives itself as indestructible.

This should have taught us a lesson, but I fear it hasn't. Instead, we kid ourselves in thinking we're the only ones in the world who can cause our own demise. In a way, maybe that's true - through our own ignorance and arrogance.

Its the same story about who shot JFK. People refuse to believe that it was Oswald. After all, how could such a petty man with such an insignificant life kill someone who was so powerful. That doesn't balance mentally with some folks, so they have to add weight to the other side. That's where the conspiracies come in to play.

Now on that subject.. I don't believe Oswald acted alone in the shooting.. Kennedy did not want to go into Vietnam... He had to go... Bobby was Next.. and now were fuggin stuck with Teddy who drinks his self into a coma daily and sleeps through 99% of the Senate hearings...

"we kid ourselves in thinking we're the only ones in the world who can cause our own demise"

I think your on to something there!

Abraham Lincoln said it best...

Hog

Yep, I think on 9/11 we got suckerpunched and knocked on our a--. We need to pick ourselves back up, learn from our mistakes, and make sure it does not happen again.

Instead, we refuse to believe anyone punched us. We think we punched ourselves. Because, of course, no one can ever hurt us. We have no weaknesses. Everyone else is inferior. Right???? Thats what the conspiracy people want you to believe. Makes you wonder whose side they are really on. They want us to tie our hands behind our backs so we dont punch ourselves again. That way we'll be safe.

As you all know charlie sheen claims 911 was a conspiracy formed by the Bush administration. While being interviewed by a room full of reporters, charlie asked the reporters this very relevant question: "Hey any of you guys know where I can score some heroin".

JonR

MikeyRavioli,

So the Secret Service is just incompetent? It is an easy explanation but these guys don't have a complicated mission: protect the president. They do this by considering scenarios that could be dangerous and developing solutions to them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their first order of business when danger threatens is to move the president to a secure location quickly.

Also, I never mentioned a conspiracy. I simply suggest that it is a question that doesn't have an obvious answer. It took me less than a minute to eliminate incompetence.

Don't jump to the conclusion that it's a conspiracy. It is just a problem that has a set of parameters and requires a bit of deductive reasoning.

Hog had a pretty reasonable explanation. They already did know where the planes were going.

This doesn't require a conspiracy, I'm sure the planes called in once they were hijacked, and they probably were all hijacked about the same time. SS would be informed if any other planes lost control, and could make a reasonable decision from any additional activity.

I've also personally suspected that the flight in penn. was shot down as well. It sounds better that some heroes on the flight tried to take back control, rather than the govt making the rational decision to sacrifice a few people who are going to die anyway in order to save more. Unfortunately, I believe the black box records for this flight have been released and it does appear to have crashed.

puskarich,

Obviously the American people didn't "punch" us. But in order to find out who did we have to investigate the crime. This was never done. People who had a well documented agenda simply used this crime as a vehicle to accomplish their objectives. Much of this aspect has come out lately in the mainstream media.

But all of this is off topic.

I had one simple question: why didn't the Secret Service secure the safety of the President when his location was compromised and their were planes in the air with targets that were unknown and we were obviously under attack? We did NOT know the targets of the remaining two planes that were known to have been hijacked. We had no way of knowing how many other planes may have been hijacked. So that answer doesn't hold water either.

"I believe the black box records for this flight have been released and it does appear to have crashed."

Yes they were, and yes it did crash, but up until that time I still in the back of my mind thought the Ohio F-16's had nailed this one, and our government was covering it up... Had the passangers on that plane not done what they did.. the other would have happened for sure.. the F-16's were very close on the persuit...

What do you expect from a retired F-16 weapons troop anyway?

Hog

"I had one simple question: why didn't the Secret Service secure the safety of the President when his location was compromised and their were planes in the air with targets that were unknown and we were obviously under attack? We did NOT know the targets of the remaining two planes that were known to have been hijacked. We had no way of knowing how many other planes may have been hijacked. So that answer doesn't hold water either."

allbidness,

I did kind of answer your question.. there also is a very good documentary the history channel or discovery puts on. on occasions about the incidents around 911.. try to catch it sometime.. if I see it's going to air.. I'll post the listings and ping you about it...

These Aircraft after the first one hit the towers and the second one was heading that way.. were known from that point on the locations where they were headed and how many... flt 93 was the last one to be known, but was already changed flt path when Norad had scrambled alert fighters... the President was in Texas.. all known hijacked AC were headed for New York! all remaining flights in the air across the country had already been checking into the air traffic control centers in their general area's to let folks know they were friendly's not foe's...

Hog