JadeRose
12 years ago

I think I understand what you're suggesting here...

but the point you're missing is that if CI did buy a label and start selling it, then those old cigars you find in a B&M aren't being made any more, they're just old inventory.. you can't "continue to buy that old cigar"... you can buy up any old stock you find, but it isn't getting made any more. It's an important distinction.

victor809 wrote:




I understand that. I'm not making myself very clear I guess.
victor809
12 years ago

I know and agree with all this..BUT...when was the last time you saw LaPerla in a B&M? When was the last time you saw virtually ANY of the same Gurkha's that CI sells in a B&M?

JadeRose wrote:


Two different distinctions. LaPerla was definitely a B&M cigar... but it's been a year or so since I've been in a b&m so I can't tell you if it's still there. Gurkha however, has a freaking million crappy blends, I suspect a lot of B&Ms simply don't bother stocking all of them because it's shelf space they can't afford. Remember, they've only got so much humidified retail space... if they were to stock all theblends of gurkha we see here, they'd only have crappy cigars for sale.


We all know that wrappers can change and blends have to be tweaked and who much gives a crap about the fancy banding. It's the marketing I have issue with. Saying a cigar got a "95" rating when you are talking about a blend from 10 years ago. Does CI do this? I don't know...you tell me.



I think everyone does this. I'm not sure how often those "ratings" get updated on blends, and since every cigar's blend must change subtly over the years (really, do you think the Padron 64 uses the same cigar blend now as it did when it first came out like 20 years ago?) so there should be more visibility in the industry as a whole as to what years actually earned what rating, and what year's blend is being sold... but that applies to both B&M and online retailers. A B&M may have the opposite problem as CI/Cbid.. .they may have piles of overstock on a blend which sucked that year, but sell it under a new, better rating.
JadeRose
12 years ago
"Then, at some point in time they changed their blends and labeling. This doesn't mean that cbid gets different Black Pearls... it means EVERYONE got different black pearls. I see the same new, less tasty black pearls at B&Ms as I see on here (and I'm not gonna buy any of them). "


I've never seen LaPerla in a B&M since the change. Doesn't mean they ain't out there..I just ain't seen them. Considering I go to one of the biggest and most well known cigar stores in the country, I'd think I would. I think a lot of B&M buy smokes FROM CI/CBID...but that's a different thread and has nothing to do with CI.
victor809
12 years ago

"Then, at some point in time they changed their blends and labeling. This doesn't mean that cbid gets different Black Pearls... it means EVERYONE got different black pearls. I see the same new, less tasty black pearls at B&Ms as I see on here (and I'm not gonna buy any of them). "


I've never seen LaPerla in a B&M since the change. Doesn't mean they ain't out there..I just ain't seen them. Considering I go to one of the biggest and most well known cigar stores in the country, I'd think I would. I think a lot of B&M buy smokes FROM CI/CBID...but that's a different thread and has nothing to do with CI.

JadeRose wrote:



I remember the change in the LaPerla Black Pearls. The B&M I was going to at the time switched their label. I've seen it in others over the years as well. The original had a "La Perla Habana" main label, with a "Black Pearl" ribbon.... the new blends/labeling simply said "Black Pearl" on the main label. The blend definitely changed with the label change.
JadeRose
12 years ago
Oh well.....I'm really not trying to kick CI/Cbid. I think they are a perfectly reputable company with terrific customer service. They've tolerated my nonsense for 6 years and that says a lot about them. Hell..they tolerate this ridiculous board and knocks against them. That also says a lot. I've had people RECOGNIZE my handle when they've overheard me talking about the CBID boards. They've told me that they read them but aren't active and ask me my handle and just laugh when I tell them. See ya after the banning!!











Unless I get TW'd
opelmanta1900
12 years ago
The Gurkha Beauty's you can STILL GET at b&m's is in no way, shape, or form, the same cigar as what cbid sells as a Gurkha Beauty... period... no questions asked, unless you're an idiot you'd be able to tell the difference...
robertsccr5
12 years ago

The Gurkha Beauty's you can STILL GET at b&m's is in no way, shape, or form, the same cigar as what cbid sells as a Gurkha Beauty... period... no questions asked, unless you're an idiot you'd be able to tell the difference...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Are these the ones in glass tubes? I actually do like the Cbid Beautys. I'll keep an eye out for B&M Beauty.
TIGERCDW
12 years ago

You know, this is always touted as THE cigar that gets rebanded by us. But here's how it works:

The original La Perla hit the cigar world like a rocket! Everyone loved them and bought them up. With increased production, costs needed to be reviewed and that cute little silk footband was expensive - not just to produce but the added manpower to put it on the cigar. So when that was removed, folks immediately said it was reblended. Sales may have dropped off slightly or maybe not, I'm not certain. But the brand is now slightly diminished.

Now add into the mix this is a boutique brand so the tobacco is often-times limited in quantity. With that ealier increased production, that delicious wrapper is gone. So they go out to purchase more just like it but alas there is none to be found. And the brand loses much of its luster.

As all of you know, tobacco taste changes based on environmental conditions during its growth. When that specific wrapper was gone, they tried other wrapper from a different year. It tasted similar but not exactly the same. So no....the blend did NOT change but the wrapper leaf DID change.

Think about it....if that brand was still a HUGE money maker for the manufacturer, why would they sell it? Answer: They wouldn't.

To suggest that we reband inferior cigars is irresponsible at best and libilous at worst.

So, why is it that those cigar stores have the 'original' cigars? Simple - they stored them away or just didn't sell them. There are a lot of savvy cigar store owners out there. They may have put them away from their stock, purchased it from individuals who had them stored from their own stock, etc.

I'm not upset with you Tiger, I just can't believe that you think so little of this company as to suggest we do this. Whatever, you'll believe what you want and its easiest to think that the giant company is evil. That for some reason we took this superb cigar and junked it up. I guess that makes sense in some idiotic way.

I know that many of you are thinking that I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just saying this because I work for this company. But how many of you have spent the past 13 years doing nothing but learning about and discussing cigars? So while you don't have to consider me an expert, you do have to acknowledge that I may know something of what I speak. And I've never BS'd you. When we've been at fault, I've acknowledged it.

So....do with this information what you wish. I know that many of you will disregard it because its contrary to what you 'know'. Again, whatever. I certainly can't force you to understand it.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:




What the hell do I have to do with this?

TIGER
TIGERCDW
12 years ago
Trish needs some ginko.

LOL

TIGER
victor809
12 years ago

The Gurkha Beauty's you can STILL GET at b&m's is in no way, shape, or form, the same cigar as what cbid sells as a Gurkha Beauty... period... no questions asked, unless you're an idiot you'd be able to tell the difference...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



I just have to call bs on this.
Why would the manufacturer create two completely different cigars with the same name? I can understand if you're buying 3year old product from a B&M while from CI you're getting recently rolled (since they have higher turnover), but it makes no financial sense for there to be two separate products put out the same year, with the same name.
JadeRose
12 years ago

What the hell do I have to do with this?

TIGER

TIGERCDW wrote:





Nothing..but hopefully she'll ban you instead of me.
JadeRose
12 years ago

I just have to call bs on this.
Why would the manufacturer create two completely different cigars with the same name? I can understand if you're buying 3year old product from a B&M while from CI you're getting recently rolled (since they have higher turnover), but it makes no financial sense for there to be two separate products put out the same year, with the same name.

victor809 wrote:





I don't think Trish is a corporate shill...now VICTOR on the other hand......
victor809
12 years ago

I don't think Trish is a corporate shill...now VICTOR on the other hand......

JadeRose wrote:



New deal... I'll do a little shilling for Cbid if they free TW! :)

(or, given my reputation with some people.. alternatively I'll pretend to have nothing to do with cbid if they'll free TW!)
wheelrite
12 years ago

I understand that. I'm a militant Queer, I guess.

JadeRose wrote:




we know Bro,,,,



wheel,
Porksoda
12 years ago
I like that avatar
opelmanta1900
12 years ago

I just have to call bs on this.
Why would the manufacturer create two completely different cigars with the same name? I can understand if you're buying 3year old product from a B&M while from CI you're getting recently rolled (since they have higher turnover), but it makes no financial sense for there to be two separate products put out the same year, with the same name.

victor809 wrote:



why would you call bs when you don't know what you're talking about? Go find one at a b&m and look at it - just look... then come call bs...

I don't have a pic of the beauties side by side but here are the titan's... it's a similar aesthetic difference between the 2 available beauties...

https://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/630727/Gurkha-Titan-New-and-Old 
JadeRose
12 years ago
I like how Noobs avoid threads like this like the plague...lol.
JadeRose
12 years ago

I bet that's what you told CROS..!! 😠

DrafterX wrote:






poor CROS
Hillbillyjosh770
12 years ago
/\ what he said. I pity a fool.
99cobra2881
12 years ago

I like how Noobs avoid threads like this like the plague...lol.

JadeRose wrote:




90 people viewing this forum when I last looked. I bet they're all looking at the overbid threads. 🇨🇮
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