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teedubbya
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11 years ago

#21

I hate voice recognition.

This is one of the clear-cut situations where I can not side with the police and that is rare for me. I don't know what the police could possibly do wrong if this is okay.

ZRX1200
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11 years ago

#22

Wait was this titled Cuckold ?

Abrignac
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11 years ago

#23

So, all I need to do is say, "I can't breath!" and the cops will just let me go, great! I figured somebody was going say something like, "A huge scrappy MF shouldn't have resisted when the police tried to arrest him." Or better yet, not to commit crime.

Too bad they didn't shoot him with a Taser and let him fall over. I suppose they could have just shot him instead of restraining him.

Gene363 wrote:

Hindsight is always 20/20, but perhaps in this case that would have been a better alternative.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#24

Honestly shooting him or teasing him would have been better? You must be looking at a different video than I or be way biased.

Honestly is there ever s time s cop can do wrong?

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#25

Should a cop ever be held accountable or should we just incorporate a woopsie daisy law allowing them to do anything they like.

I'm on cops side 98.87% of the time but for gods sake what does it take for them to be wrong?

Abrignac
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11 years ago

#26

Abrig are you suggesting there was an urgency to detain him given his crime?

teedubbya wrote:

Absolutely not. I merely stated that he was resisting. Assuming the officers had reasonable suspicion to believe a crime was being committed they can lawfully detain a subject to conduct an investigation in accordance with UNITED STATES v. SHARPE, 470 U.S. 675 (1985). But, there's a catch it seems in New York.

When checking this out I found something real interesting. A quick search of New York state criminal statutes yielded a law that classifies resisting an arrest as a class 4 misdemeanor. I'm surprised it specifically states resisting arrest instead of resisting an officer performing their lawful duty. In other words, absent some other statute it seems its perfectly legal to resist an officer in the state of New York unless one is under arrest.

Interesting indeed.

Are you also suggestion a choke hold was warranted even though against procedure.

teedubbya wrote:

I never said a choke hold was ok. I think I actually called it deadly force.

Do you really think after viewing the vidto all was kosher and folks should just move along

teedubbya wrote:

No way I'm gonna Monday morning quarterback this with out knowing all the facts. That being said, if it walks like a duck and quacks.....

TheSmokensip
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11 years ago

#27

The guy was not like Mike Brown, he was not aggressive. Cops were way out of line here.

Abrignac
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11 years ago

#28

The guy was not like Mike Brown, he was not aggressive. Cops were way out of line here.

TheSmokensip wrote:

Not sure I would say "cops". Perhaps a three letter word would be a bit more accurate.

TheSmokensip
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11 years ago

#29

Not sure I would say "cops". Perhaps a three letter word would be a bit more accurate.

Abrignac wrote:

There were cops there. Not just one cop. Surely, one of them could have figured a better way to handle this.

Gene363
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11 years ago

#30

Yeah, I am stirring the pot, but I was making the point that criminals can and do say anything to get away, it's up to the officer to sort out the BS, sometimes while wrestling a large person. All I know is what I heard on the news, just like Ferguson, we don't have all the facts.

He said several times, "I can't breath.", but it was after the guy that was choking him had let go. The same person had his hand on the guys head pushing down. Was someone sitting on his chest too?

This is the clip I viewed:

Is there a clip that recorded the conversation before this clip? In the clip above, he is shouting at the police, obviously upset, but not running and not attacking. More talk might have avoided the confrontation, but perhaps hot. IMO, it's not a good idea to question police authority, especially in a loud voice. Like using a crosswalk in front of a speed buss, you have the right of way, but it not going to end well.

On August 1, 2014, city medical examiners concluded that Garner was killed by neck compression from the chokehold along with “the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police”. Contributing factors included bronchial asthma, heart disease, obesity, and hypertensive cardiovascular disease. Friends of Garner described him as having severe health issues, including diabetes, sleep apnea and severe asthma. As a result of Garner's death, four EMTs and paramedics who responded to Garner's death were suspended without pay on July 21, 2014, and officers Damico and Pantaleo were placed on desk duty; Pantaleo was also stripped of his service gun and badge.

No one attempted CPR, not the police or the MET/Paramedics. There is a second video:

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ZRX1200
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11 years ago

#31

Paramedics took 4 minutes to get there, he was already dead.

Again, he was cuffed. I understand small guys can still be an issue with even multiple cops, but there's this word called DISCRETION. Given the circumstances of the suspect being secured their lack of DISGRETION was deplorable.

Gene363
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11 years ago

#32

ZRX1200 wrote:

He was still as soon as the cuffs went on, likely dead soon after. If the police had tried to do CPR he might have lived, though it is hard to do effective CPR on a really fat person.

As you say, 'Discretion' might have saved him. It's a TV show, but if you ever watch Alaska State Troopers, unlike NYC, most people are likely to be well armed, they have a much different attitude and demeanor when approaching suspects.

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Gene363
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11 years ago

#33

Honestly shooting him or teasing him would have been better? You must be looking at a different video than I or be way biased.

Honestly is there ever s time s cop can do wrong?

teedubbya wrote:

I don't think the police intended to kill the guy, but he ended up dead. At the same time, I don't know what the DA or the Grand Jury did or did not do/consider, or if there were charges, other than murder, they could have applied.

Other than not ending up with a dead suspect how would you want the situation handled? By the police before they jumped on the guy and by the DA/Grand Jury?

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stogiemonger
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11 years ago

#34

He was selling loose un-taxed cigarettes.

That was the cause for his arrest.

Coroner ruled it a homicide, video seems to back that up, but, the grand jury is blind.

This one is a horrible injustice created by an aggressive tax that has created a black market for cigarettes in New York.

Hardly worth having anyone die violently in the streets for.

Pot smoking will get you a citation in New York, for example, no handcuffs, no arrest.

TMCTLT
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#35

There's NO making sense of this " taking of a life " all involved should be reprimanded in some way!! However the officer who put the chokehold and then knelt on the victims head.....should be jailed.

frankj1
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11 years ago

#36

it was the sort of crime that called for a single officer to say "wassamatter with you? don't do that on my beat, move along" and then walk away.

DrafterX
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11 years ago

#37

it was the sort of crime that called for a single officer to say "wassamatter with you? don't do that on my beat, move along" and then walk away.

frankj1 wrote:

maybe he did and was told to go screw himself.... 😟

wheelrite
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#38

Very sad for sure,,,

RIP

and the Cop should be in jail...

wheel,,

TheSmokensip
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11 years ago

#39

According to Rudy Giuliani there was a female African American police sergeant (not seen in video)on the scene supervising the whole time. She or another cop should have told Pantaleo to ease up!

schreiber
Connoisseur

11 years ago

#40

This one is a horrible injustice created by an aggressive tax that has created a black market for cigarettes in New York.

Hardly worth having anyone die violently in the streets for.

Pot smoking will get you a citation in New York, for example, no handcuffs, no arrest.

stogiemonger wrote:

This boggles my mind.

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