Mattie B
11 years ago
I would have been pissed too.


But my perspective comes from where I live. So of course I'm biased. But don't ask my opinion, and then tell me I'm wrong.

Fighting the guy is a gamble with no upside. What could you gain other than a brief moment of satisfaction. The downside is HUGE. he could rally his homeless buds. He could stalk your girlfriend. The list goes on and on.

I hate the dog was harmed but putting myself or girlfriend at risk seems like a poor choice.

Again, the scariest people are the ones that don't care what happens to them. I question if this guy fears any consequences.

But, I would have called the law and let them deal with it.

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frankj1
11 years ago
I'm guessing you wrote this for fun.
victor809
11 years ago

I would have been pissed too.


But my perspective comes from where I live. So of course I'm biased. But don't ask my opinion, and then tell me I'm wrong.

Fighting the guy is a gamble with no upside. What could you gain other than a brief moment of satisfaction. The downside is HUGE. he could rally his homeless buds. He could stalk your girlfriend. The list goes on and on.

I hate the dog was harmed but putting myself or girlfriend at risk seems like a poor choice.

Again, the scariest people are the ones that don't care what happens to them. I question if this guy fears any consequences.

But, I would have called the law and let them deal with it.

.

Mattie B wrote:



I wasn't saying you were wrong Mattie. You hadn't posted an alternative (like you did this time)...

I suppose the law is a viable alternative. I don't know if the law in SF would do much, and I'm not sure it would work as a deterrent to the guy from trying it again... but it is a viable alternative.

I guess my perspective is a little different here. Calling the law would involve sitting there with an upset gf waiting for the police to arrive... while the guy runs off somewhere and just file a police report, which probably gets filed under "who cares" because they have bigger things to deal with than chasing down a guy who tries to harm dogs. On the other hand, a little negative reinforcement hopefully will hopefully keep the guy out of our immediate neighborhood. I could be wrong, he may decide to make a thing about it... and if he does, I'll tell you you were right. The guy certainly didn't look like he didn't fear any consequences... he looked like he feared me. That may come back to bite me later though.
sd72
11 years ago
Did you even try to explain to him how it made you feel when he acted like that? I'd bet he would have felt horrible about his actions, and you would have made a buddy.
victor809
11 years ago

I'm guessing you wrote this for fun.

frankj1 wrote:



Well, it was my yesterday evening activity. But yes, partially for fun. I am still conflicted however, in all honesty. Beating on a crazy guy isn't good. But on the other hand, I wonder if I should have done more to discourage him.
victor809
11 years ago

Get her a real dog,I know my dogs would've handled it themselves!

bassman45 wrote:



It's her dog. If I had a choice of dog to get, it would be a fish. 🙂
victor809
11 years ago

So you beat-up a homeless guy over a dog? Nice! What/s next… going to roll some **** after last-call too?

cacman wrote:



Yep.

What would you have done differently?
Mattie B
11 years ago
Man I hope you don't get to tell me I'm right.

Hopefully he will move along. I would be on high alert and tell the girlfriend to walk the dog with a buddy.

Abrignac
11 years ago

The dog causes no destruction. It stays indoors, the gf picks up its sh#t.

The homeless in our neighborhood are a different case. They don't pick up their sh$t (I'm not kidding, there is a map tracking how much human sh$t is left on the streets of SF, and I live on the border of sh%tsville.) They tip trash cans over and leave it strewn everywhere. They jam parking meters daily to be able to take the quarters out. They trash cars for no purpose... This is the 4th incident involving the gf (she does now keep mace in the pocket of the jacket she normally uses now). But the others have been relatively "harmless"... yelling, or shoving her.

victor809 wrote:




You chose to live in that ****hole. Pick your rate, pick your fate, quit whining.
Gene363
11 years ago

You chose to live in that ****hole. Pick your rate, pick your fate, quit whining.

Abrignac wrote:



Victor, this and I and I like your girlfriend, sounds like a keeper, but not one to cross.

You should be angry, many homeless really should be in institutions. Unfortunately for you, progressive(?) society, the ACLU and other dogooders decided they have rights and cannot be institutionalized. They also believe 'abusing' them, as you described, makes you a criminal. Think about it, you ran down this poor innocent individual and attacked him.

[sarcasm] But, just for accusing you of being the bad guy. Truth is, no matter how much fun it might be to poke a crazy guy with a sharp stick, it is not acceptable behavior in polite company. A DA could easily make you out to be a vicious predator attacking the downtrodden. Unless you can fight all the homeless, the city and their other enablers, you are screwed, move.
frankj1
11 years ago
not so sure it was a liberal agenda demanding they have rights that "freed" the crazies and created untold thousands of homeless. At least around here it was budget slashing, particularly in Human Services, that did the damage.

a very sad choice indeed.
cacman
11 years ago

Yep.

What would you have done differently?

victor809 wrote:


Yep.

Would have let him have the dog. Especially since it is just your "girlfriend". It's not like you're married to her. Just flexing a little muscle and bullying the less fortunate. She obviously can take care of herself. It's the dog that needs replaced with one that's not such a wuss and better suited for the neighborhood.
[sarcasm]

You put yourself in danger over a dog - over a domestic animal that's easily replaced - all to impress a female (POA). Probably would have been the best meal he had in a while. Not that I condone harming animals, but the only way to stop the problem with the homeless is to report the problem, not to take things into your own hands. What if he comes back Mr. Vigilante?
frankj1
11 years ago
that's it. I'm gonna snopes this story.
sd72
11 years ago
It checks out on snopes

www.snopes.com/victors/girlfriend-/isa/man809gateway
Gene363
11 years ago

not so sure it was a liberal agenda demanding they have rights that "freed" the crazies and created untold thousands of homeless. At least around here it was budget slashing, particularly in Human Services, that did the damage.

a very sad choice indeed.

frankj1 wrote:



I'm afraid it is so, to wit:

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-history-mental-institutions 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/jan/10/loughners-illness-protected-liberal-privacy-laws/ 

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html 

http://www.claytoncramer.com/speeches/mental.htm 

Even Reagan

http://www.dailynugget.com/2004/06/ronald-reagan-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ 


When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.


victor809
11 years ago

It checks out on snopes

www.snopes.com/victors/girlfriend-/isa/man809gateway

sd72 wrote:



Dammit, you beat me to it.

Granted... I was gonna go a different direction...
victor809
11 years ago

Yep.

Would have let him have the dog. Especially since it is just your "girlfriend". It's not like you're married to her. Just flexing a little muscle and bullying the less fortunate. She obviously can take care of herself. It's the dog that needs replaced with one that's not such a wuss and better suited for the neighborhood.
[sarcasm]

You put yourself in danger over a dog - over a domestic animal that's easily replaced - all to impress a female (POA). Probably would have been the best meal he had in a while. Not that I condone harming animals, but the only way to stop the problem with the homeless is to report the problem, not to take things into your own hands. What if he comes back Mr. Vigilante?

cacman wrote:




So your answer to someone who goes after something of yours is to let them take it? Good to know.

As for the "girlfriend" crap... if you think that should make any difference then you are a different person than I am. This girlfriend is part of my family.

If he comes back, I deal with that when it happens. I dont' see how reporting the incident would keep it from happening again....
TMCTLT
11 years ago

You chose to live in that ****hole. Pick your rate, pick your fate, quit whining.

Abrignac wrote:





^^^^THIS =d>
TMCTLT
11 years ago

If you had said he was a Muslim, this place would be high-fiving you right now.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:






Yeah the poor picked on Muslims....#-o
ZRX1200
11 years ago
Hardly thundergerbil, our POTUS is a dog EATING mooselem.
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