bgz
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8 years ago

might have something to do with the violence that escalated due to the culture clash. Don't get me wrong, there was tribal violence before...

but not on the scale that leveled whole centuries old cities...

MACS is right though...the globalization/Westernization that gathered steam after Columbus is irreversible and will eventually consume the entire planet...

and will cause more violent conflicts along the way...which will displace more people fleeing their homes...

resisting is useless, as even Trump's nationalistic philosophies will not last long or succeed...


we/America were the masters of globalization after WWII...

delta1 wrote:



So you're saying liberalism of the entire world is inevitable?

This doesn't explain why liberals berate and chastise Christian Republicans because of their conservative views, but are perfectly ok with Muslims' far more extreme views because it's a culture thing... and anyone who calls BS on it is automatically flagged as an Islamophobe.

So you're ok with women getting their cl1ts chopped off because it's a cultural thing.

Or women being sentenced to stoning because they got raped and it was their fault... because it's a cultural thing.

Their religion is not good for the world, it's quite toxic really, yet it's the fastest growing religion in the world. My guess would be because Islomophobia is a thing... Am I an Islamaphobe? Damn right I am, their culture f*ckin scares the sh1t out of me... I have daughters you know.
delta1
8 years ago
No, just because Trumps's philosophy will be short-lived doesn't mean that liberalism will be the primary force behind it's demise as we move towards globalization...it will be capitalism, unhinged from any religious tethers except profits...

Globalization has only slight needs for liberalism, in that it needs some form of tolerance, so that it can co-exist in places where it would be profitable to remain and exploit...the days of slaughtering everybody and taking the valuables are mostly over...now you gotta at least pretend to like the indigenous/locals and look the other way from their repulsive behaviors...

with your attitude, a global company would be reluctant to transfer you to an Islamic profit center...winks and nods go further than outraged disgust and interference in disgusting conduct...

in some of those places the people find drinking alcohol and publicly touching improperly clothed women disgusting and imprisoning people who indulge in self medication from natural plants a form of barbarism...
bgz
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8 years ago
It's ok, I wouldn't step foot in one of those countries anyway. It's illegal for me to be alive in those countries, and the punishment is death.

So I'm ok with some powerful corporate overlord not sending me to one of those places.
tailgater
8 years ago

Seems like truth is a dirty word to political correctness to many loons on the left. It's pretty easy to throw around words like bigot and racist. I sometimes wonder where my rights went. I don't like much of Islam. The way women are treated is so very against my beliefs. Any religion that preaches to convert or kill me is inherently evil. So I guess by today's standards I am a racist or bigot because I choose not to associate with people of the Islamic faith.

Speyside wrote:



Yeah.
And I'm a racist because I voted for Trump.

tailgater
8 years ago

Religion was once necessary. Now its just divisive..

HuckFinn wrote:




Not true.
Everyone in my Church gets along just fine.


tailgater
8 years ago
If there's no god then who are the ballplayers pointing to after a home run?

DrafterX
8 years ago
Do you have a softball team..?? 😕


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KgI2Uv4pFbk
🤣
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Not true.
Everyone in my Church gets along just fine.


tailgater wrote:


For a long hour and still, divisive.
..less of course it's multidenominational and (chuckles) multiracial.

Sides, going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

If there's no god then who are the ballplayers pointing to after a home run?

tailgater wrote:


Funny!
Speyside
8 years ago
Huck, if an institution performs more good than bad why would you think it has outlived its usefulness? Also aren't you deriding billions of peoples beliefs? Finally shouldn't you give everyone who believes in God as much respect as they should give you?
Gene363
8 years ago
Religion is an invention of man. I'm not a big fan, but the more the merrier and the less likelihood of one religion getting in charge of the everything. I'd should also say that atheism, in this context, is another religion.

FWIW, the idea, "the more religions the better", came from an atheist physiatrist speaking on NPR. I did not get his name, but he is correct.
bgz
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8 years ago
No... atheism is not a religion... in any context.

Sure, there's some millennial hipsters getting together on meetup to discuss their non-belief over lattes and tofu cakes, but that doesn't make it a religion.

It's simply a checkbox with none of the above as it's label.

I would say flat earthism is more of a religion than atheism, they yell till they're blue in the face that the world is flat despite worlds of evidence that it is not.

Just another thought, an old employee of mine tried to convince me that I'm agnostic because I leave open the possibility that any one religion in the entire universe might be correct despite the astronomical odds against any intelligent species' dogma actually being correct.

I was like, but I think the probability of any religion on our planet nailing it to be so infinitesimally small that you might as just call it zero.
bikrtrsh
8 years ago
Let's not forget intelligent design ....
and by the way, the earth is definitely not flat.

THE MOON IS!
delta1
8 years ago



Just another thought, an old employee of mine tried to convince me that I'm agnostic because I leave open the possibility that any one religion in the entire universe might be correct despite the astronomical odds against any intelligent species' dogma actually being correct.

I was like, but I think the probability of any religion on our planet nailing it to be so infinitesimally small that you might as just call it zero.

bgz wrote:



Hey, Bean...you summed up my intellectual ambivalence and skepticism about religion quite succinctly...but I do leave open, even lean towards, the possibility of a supreme being, a creator, so to speak. Our language limitations and my lack of mastering even the limited skills prevent me from fully expressing all thoughts and impressions about this.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Huck, if an institution performs more good than bad why would you think it has outlived its usefulness? Also aren't you deriding billions of peoples beliefs? Finally shouldn't you give everyone who believes in God as much respect as they should give you?

Speyside wrote:


Speyside, because I think organized religions do more bad than good.

And I know there are seriously well-intentioned folks out there donating time and money to underprivileged people and doing all sorts of good deeds.
A couple, our closest friends, both professors, through their Church built a school for Ugandan kids and help their folks to start up businesses. Truth be told I think charitable people would be out there doing things like that even if it didn't come under the title of God's Work.

I respect people who believe. Probably even envy them a little .
But my problem with organized religion is the same as my beef with any cult: you've collected like-minded people in to an isolated space like some secret society, with the expressed purpose of making them even more like-minded. To brainwash them. To separate them from the rest of the population.

Messages, drummed in to people's heads like, without Jesus you're going to hell or kill infidels or bomb the shiites or sunnis....etc etc...all in the name of God? Insanity imo.
What do all the many erroneous messages that are preached have do with a God that might exist. Sounds more like power-hungry-madmen-agendas.
I do like present pope though. Seems like a genuine Christian to me.
Like TG.

Short question....long answer...
bgz
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8 years ago

Hey, Bean...you summed up my intellectual ambivalence and skepticism about religion quite succinctly...but I do leave open, even lean towards, the possibility of a supreme being, a creator, so to speak. Our language limitations and my lack of mastering even the limited skills prevent me from fully expressing all thoughts and impressions about this.

delta1 wrote:



Damn... looks like the name stuck... fu guys lol.
JadeRose
8 years ago

Religion is an invention of man. I'm not a big fan, but the more the merrier and the less likelihood of one religion getting in charge of the everything. I'd should also say that atheism, in this context, is another religion.

FWIW, the idea, "the more religions the better", came from an atheist physiatrist speaking on NPR. I did not get his name, but he is correct.

Gene363 wrote:




I agree with everything about this statement. The PRACTICE of Atheism is most definitely a "religion" and is why I disagree with those a$$holes as much as I do other religions. I have absolutely no beef with those who have faith in a higher power or a God or whatever they wish to call it. Just leave me out of it unless I show interest. I don't want to be a Fundamentalist Christian anymore than I want to be Muslim or a Jew. Don't try to convert me to and SURE AS HELL don't expect me to live life according to those beliefs. I don't want the US to be a Christian Nation. I don't want it to be anything other than a Nation of Laws and leave the religion to those that practice them.

To my original thought on this thread, Modern Atheism seems to be needlessly antagonistic towards those of faith. Why? If you are an atheist why do you have to "Practice" anything? How the hell do you practice NOT believing in something? I'm agnostic, bordering on atheist. Therefore I just leave all that stuff alone and let people of faith enjoy that faith with no input from me.
Gene363
8 years ago

No... atheism is not a religion... in any context.

Sure, there's some millennial hipsters getting together on meetup to discuss their non-belief over lattes and tofu cakes, but that doesn't make it a religion.

It's simply a checkbox with none of the above as it's label.

I would say flat earthism is more of a religion than atheism, they yell till they're blue in the face that the world is flat despite worlds of evidence that it is not.

Just another thought, an old employee of mine tried to convince me that I'm agnostic because I leave open the possibility that any one religion in the entire universe might be correct despite the astronomical odds against any intelligent species' dogma actually being correct.

I was like, but I think the probability of any religion on our planet nailing it to be so infinitesimally small that you might as just call it zero.

bgz wrote:



You don't need a church/meeting place to have a religion. Atheism can be considered as a religion as practiced by some, especially those that cannot stand others practicing their religion or the fanatics that are so concerned even the most remote link to typical religion(s) is verboten.

"a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion""

" a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"

As to your second thought, perhaps most all religions are partly correct, each individual has free will to go to the light or the dark side/good/evil etc. That baked in trait came from someplace. We may figure it out one day, but for now who knows, we can only conjecture, ergo the agnostic. The paradox is, we may never know.


Gene363
8 years ago

I agree with everything about this statement. The PRACTICE of Atheism is most definitely a "religion" and is why I disagree with those a$$holes as much as I do other religions. I have absolutely no beef with those who have faith in a higher power or a God or whatever they wish to call it. Just leave me out of it unless I show interest. I don't want to be a Fundamentalist Christian anymore than I want to be Muslim or a Jew. Don't try to convert me to and SURE AS HELL don't expect me to live life according to those beliefs. I don't want the US to be a Christian Nation. I don't want it to be anything other than a Nation of Laws and leave the religion to those that practice them.

To my original thought on this thread, Modern Atheism seems to be needlessly antagonistic towards those of faith. Why? If you are an atheist why do you have to "Practice" anything? How the hell do you practice NOT believing in something? I'm agnostic, bordering on atheist. Therefore I just leave all that stuff alone and let people of faith enjoy that faith with no input from me.

JadeRose wrote:



Exactly!
Gene363
8 years ago
Some of you might be interested in Deism.

"a movement or system of thought advocating natural (see 1natural 8b) religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe"

Did You Know?

Belief in God based on reason rather than revelation or the teaching of any specific religion is known as deism. The word originated in England in the early 17th century as a rejection of orthodox Christianity. Deists asserted that reason could find evidence of God in nature and that God had created the world and then left it to operate under the natural laws devised by God. By the late 18th century, deism was the dominant religious attitude among Europe’s educated classes; it was accepted by many upper-class Americans of the same era, including the first three US presidents.



https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/deism.htm 

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