MACS
7 years ago
California partially decriminalized it. It's a misdemeanor for possession... cite and release. Felony for sales.

I say we give it a try. What we are currently doing is NOT working.
Speyside
7 years ago
Opel, a dumb question, but I just do not know. What type of work would someone high on heroin be able to safely do?
Sunoverbeach
7 years ago

Opel, a dumb question, but I just do not know. What type of work would someone high on heroin be able to safely do?

Speyside wrote:



Had a couple of bosses who probably could have done their jobs on heroin. Hell, probably would have made them more effective leaders
Ewok126
7 years ago

Opel, a dumb question, but I just do not know. What type of work would someone high on heroin be able to safely do?

Speyside wrote:



Be a speed bump in the parking lot

Be one of them ride along dummies so other people don't think you are alone in the walmart parking lot.

Be one of those that stand down the firing range and change the targets for the shooters.

Be the ones that stand on the corner holding the signs for the homeless so they can go get a pee break at McDonalds.

Be Test dummies for the police K9 training program

and my favorite

Work for Jussie Smollett to help produce his next fake hate crime. Oh and the news media can also use em as stand ins when they hop all over the story.

These are just a few I could think of. [jester]
delta1
7 years ago
#15 ^^ OK, I see....legalized with strict controls...I'm good with that. Takes the criminalized black market out of the pix, for the most part...
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
Al, for real, I think you'd be impressed with the podcast... The individualdoes a much better job of explaining it, as well as explaining the history of the war on drugs and why it did indeed start as a racist endeavor...
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

Opel, a dumb question, but I just do not know. What type of work would someone high on heroin be able to safely do?

Speyside wrote:


The example given i the podcast was mechanics...

Have you ever taken Norcos? Oxy's? Heroin isn't psychoactive... You can function... I'd dare say alcohol makes you far less able to function than heroin, and who among us hasn't worked with someone who drank throughout the workday?
Gene363
7 years ago

Our governor removed the felony and made it a misdemeanor for possession of her drugs.....it has not gotten better.

They need to offer free overdoses

ZRX1200 wrote:



You're a problem solver! =d> =d> =d>
KingoftheCove
7 years ago

Opel, a dumb question, but I just do not know. What type of work would someone high on heroin be able to safely do?

Speyside wrote:


You’d be surprised. I’ve known a few “functional junkies” in my time. (Professional musician, graveyard warehouse forklift driver, mechanic, shelf stocker at major grocery chain, etc.)
I should note that these examples are all guys I knew in the 70s.

It’s not the needle in the arm, passed out on a couch thing that is often how this addiction is perceived.
Nonetheless, it’s a brutal habit, and most junkies shoot up to not get sick, as much as to get high.(some stick to smoking, or snorting......no matter.......same outcome in the end.....for most.)

Of the ones that I knew, every one of them, except two who managed to quit, eventually ran into trouble (dead, jail, sick, ruined lives) because of the economics of the drug (supporting their habit) combined with difficulty in scoring clean junk.
Think I’ve told this story before, but the Vietnam vet (medic) who got me started trying cigars in 1975, gave me one stern warning, which I’ve heeded to this day:
“Don’t ever try heroin, it’s too good”.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Shaun one patient at a local hospital has been given Narcan 18 times.......
shaun341
7 years ago

Shaun one patient at a local hospital has been given Narcan 18 times.......

ZRX1200 wrote:




That's just wrong! I am all for second chances but I am also sick and tired of dopers walking my streets and the drug problem around here being so bad I have to worry if my daughter can get through high school without being around heroin.

Legalizing drugs is not the answer. Harsher penalties are, ecstasy used to be like heroin around here until they increased the penalty on sales and now I would bet the younger generation doesn't even know what ecstasy is here.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
So you think the war on drugs just needs more time?
rfenst
7 years ago

So you think the war on drugs just needs more time?

opelmanta1900 wrote:



The "war on drugs" has proven to be a waste of resources. Time to try some other new ideas. Legalization like you described is worth giving a try. We are already on our way towards legalization of marijuana and it seems to be working well for those who have legalized it whether for medical or recreational use.
danmdevries
7 years ago

Nobody says "I want to be a crackhead when I grow up".

bgz wrote:



I remember those commercials. "nobody ever says I wanna be a junkie when I grow up"

Azzhole kid me didn't really understand, so I remember getting sent to the principal's office for saying in class "I want to be a junkie when I grow up" I just thought it was someone who laid on the couch and napped and watched TV all day. Looked pretty sweet from the commercials.

danmdevries
7 years ago

In Switzerland, the govt. manufactures clean, medical grade heroin...

Heroin addicts are registered with a health clinic...

They come in at 7 o'clock in the morning and are given whatever size dose they want, short of what would be lethal...

It is free for the addict... This is essential... This is what decreases crime and prostitution...

It is cheaper than incarceration or medical treatment...

After self injecting their daily dose on the premises - it cannot be taken from the premises - they go to work...

Work programs are provided and hiring incentives given to employers... This is essential, as keeping the addict working provides a sense of self worth, which is essential if the addict is going to quit, which is the ultimate goal...

At some point during the week - perhaps many points - the addict will attend counseling/therapy... Again essential, as few addicts became addicts because their life was going well...

After 5 years of this program, 70% if Switzerland voted to keep it...

opelmanta1900 wrote:




I could maybe get behind this? But maybe not. Would like to see addicts working contributing jobs rather than sticking to vice and theft.

Successful addicts walk among us. They use their drug of choice, go to work, and go home. The problem with addiction is it grows to an all-consuming monster that eventually pushes the parts of being a contributing member of society out the window and using becomes the number one priority. They will do what it takes, with the least effort expended, to get the fix. A program like this gives them another option. Still get the fix, and contribute to society.

I've had several addicts of various substances who are gainfully employed and come in for something unrelated (or directly related such as an inadvertent overdose or injury while under the influence) Their families don't know, their friends don't know. They've been using for years. They go to work, they pay their bills. But this time their guy cut in some fentanyl or whatever the F. Now they're branded. They can't go back to work, their families are judging, and the cycle of use continues but now there's no reason to try for "responsible" use. The bell curve of addicts is going to enclose a majority of users that are employed.

The opiate crisis that we made is a great snapshot. Most of these people visit their doc every 30 days for their refill, even though there's really no true indication for the prescription. We write the script, so long as they aren't doc shopping or drug seeking in every emergency department, and they go on their way. They get their drug, they keep their job since it's prescribed and legal, and everybody's "happy" except the ones that get cut off, and there's the inconvenience and cost associated with q30d visits. But the vast majority do just that. The ones that use irresponsibly or get cut off, tend to turn to illicit sources and then travel the path to junkie status. Or quit, but that's not as common.

I don't know... I stopped at the liquor store and had a few beers after work so maybe I'm just rambling.
rfenst
7 years ago
Beers are a gateway drug to pot, which is a gateway drug to heroin.
You see, it all starts with just a few beers...
Thunder.Gerbil
7 years ago

Beers are a gateway drug to pot, which is a gateway drug to heroin.
You see, it all starts with just a few beers...

wheel,,,

rfenst wrote:




FIFY
Sunoverbeach
7 years ago
All research and successful drug policies show that treatment should be increased
And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

Prison Song - SOAD

That's right. I get my "facts" and political stance from early 00's metal
Sunoverbeach
7 years ago
Seriously though, kids today absolutely know about ecstasy, Molly/MDMA, shrooms, LSD, C25, DMT, blow, etc. The horrifying part is they're familiar with it, in my child rearing experience, as early as 12yrs old (and this was almost a decade back). This is in IN where you still have the possibility of jail time for like an 1/8 of pot

Harsher penalties do nothing but jack up the cost to accommodate the risk, enticing more people to peddle the chit. I'm not saying legalizing it all is the right way. I'm just saying penalty deterrents are not working
Sunoverbeach
7 years ago
That's 25C, not C25. Mixing up my hallucinogenic nomenclature
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