OK Steve02, pucker up that sphincter and prepare for some retribution.
Steve01 didn't last too long, and it appears that you're hot on his heels...

izonfire wrote:

Even the wrapper — the outer leaf in which the cigar is wrapped — affects the flavors of a cigar. There has been some debate over the years in regards to just how much impact a cigar’s wrapper has on its flavor, but the truth is that the wrapper alone cannot make or break the delicately nuanced profile that makes up the taste of a cigar, but it certainly plays a large part. Cigar icon Carlos Fuente even claims that it is credited with creating the major aspects of a cigar’s “personality.”

I'm speaking with Carlos tomorrow. I'll let him know that you say he is wrong.

izonfire wrote:

Not wrong at all, since the lips taste the wrapper, as I said. Ask Carlito about the box of 858s in Candela that he sent to me via my shop - if the wrapper was the only flavor, explain a mild and sweet candela around a medium bodied 858. Likewise, explain a mild Maduro v. a full bodied maduro.

Mild/medium/full is basically a function of filler, not wrapper.

steve02 wrote:

I'm all for cutting loose when I'm too old for it to matter but I don't know that cannibalistic cult is on the bucket list

[-(

Sunoverbeach wrote:

"You grow up carving the secret names of the Overseers into living animals hundreds of times, and you just get a little sick of it," he added. "Honestly, it's pretty boring to sit in sanctum week after week and hear some old Existence Guide rehash the same tired stories about Terry transforming himself into radio waves and visiting the destination galaxy. It gets a little old, you know?"

Let me be the first to say thank you for your service.
At your stage of noobiness, I recommend, as others have said, look for cigars with the same components as the ones you like. Get fivers. High price does not mean you will like it, just as low price doesn't mean a bad cigar. Regardless of cost, a good cigar is one you enjoy.

Mandoman wrote:

...most written authorities on cigars seem to take Izon's and Pudding Mittens' POV ... just about all descriptions of a cigar lists the origin and type of wrapper leaf ...so I've bought in to the body of "knowledge" without having done any personal studies myself...


I'd be willing to conduct experiments if anybody wants to contribute a variety of different cigars with different wrappers, binders, and fillers from various countries...I'm up for an extensive study, since I've retired and have time to devote to this...

delta1 wrote:

Never said the wrapper was the ONLY flavor.
The wrapper contributes significantly to the flavor of the smoke.
As stated earlier, "The wrapper determines much of the cigar's character and flavor"

If only the lips taste the wrapper, then why wrap the entire cigar in that expensive leaf?
Why not just cap the tip, and have the remainder wrapped with a binder leaf?

I'm not disputing your experience at all.
And I'm not claiming to have loads of experience myself.
Much of what we're doing here is just having fun.

But I would like to hear a serious discussion of this matter with you involved.
Would you be open for that?

izonfire wrote:

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Wrapper leaf makes a very significant contribution to overall flavor.

I know some guys in the cigar industry, and they got me some cigars that were completely identical in all respects except for the wrapper leaf. Same vitola, binder, filler, even the same rollers making them. Only difference was the wrapper. There were maduro, habano and Sumatra wrapper versions.

Very different smokes in very significant ways. Not subtle, even though it's only one thin leaf on the outside.

So listen to izonfire, he's correct. The filler and binder do play serious roles in the overall flavor mix, but so does the wrapper, absolutely.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:

...most written authorities on cigars seem to take Izon's and Pudding Mittens' POV ... just about all descriptions of a cigar lists the origin and type of wrapper leaf ...so I've bought in to the body of "knowledge" without having done any personal studies myself...


I'd be willing to conduct experiments if anybody wants to contribute a variety of different cigars with different wrappers, binders, and fillers from various countries...I'm up for an extensive study, since I've retired and have time to devote to this...

delta1 wrote:

Send me your address and I’ll send you some sticks with the same wrappers and you decide if they taste the same

steve02 wrote:

Not really. The filler is the cigar/smoke flavor. The wrapper is simply what your lips taste. Depending on how the filler is constructed/wrapped is what gives you different tastes throughout the burn.

steve02 wrote:

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Wrapper leaf makes a very significant contribution to overall flavor.

I know some guys in the cigar industry, and they got me some cigars that were completely identical in all respects except for the wrapper leaf. Same vitola, binder, filler, even the same rollers making them. Only difference was the wrapper. There were maduro, habano and Sumatra wrapper versions.

Very different smokes in very significant ways. Not subtle, even though it's only one thin leaf on the outside.

So listen to izonfire, he's correct. The filler and binder do play serious roles in the overall flavor mix, but so does the wrapper, absolutely.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:

Don’t disagree, but here’s the problem I’ve seen in the almost 40 years of smoking cigars - (example) someone will say I won’t smoke Maduro cigars because they’re too strong. Then you give them a Maduro with mild/medium filler and voila, they like it. My key point is/was that don’t only worry about the wrapper - in my experience, the creativity of cigar making (flavors changing, etc) is heavily based on the filler construction.

steve02 wrote: