It's bull! The friggin rice is cheaper than the chow mein anyway, just give me double rice!

opelmanta1900 wrote:

NO SUBSTITUTIONS !

tonygraz wrote:

As it should be... We as a nation should no longer accept products from China whose low price results directly from semi slave labor...

Anyone who complains about our national minimum wage should hold their tongue on this issue.... If Americans deserve liveable wages, so do the Chinese... And the reason the Chinese don't get them is America's consumption of low priced Chinese goods...

Any good manufactured in China that could be manufactured in the US should be taxed the second it hits our ports to an extent that will raise the price of said good to the price it would be had it been manufactured domestically...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

Watch shark tank, phil... First thing they (used to) tell anyone looking to manufacture in bulk: Get production over to China....

Why? They don't pay their workers and they don't follow environmental regulations so they can make it cheaper than anyone...

If we bring the prices of those goods up to what they should be - based on environmental policies and livable wages - corporations will no longer be incentivized to move production overseas...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

My basic understanding of tariffs is they benefit few and hurt many, but I guess maybe the devil is in the details. Who, what, how much, etc. I would argue that if our goal is to increase wages and create jobs for Americans then perhaps there are better ways to do this other than tariffs.

Phil222 wrote:

I guess it would depend on the particular tariff. Take a look at steel. I pulled this straight off of some random libertarian website. It could be complete horsechit.

“The U.S. steel industry employs about 140,000 people, according to the American Iron and Steel Institute. Economists Lydia Cox of Harvard University and Kadee Russ of the University of California–Davis report that industries using steel employ 80 times as many people as industries that produce steel. So, in order to protect 140,000 steel industry jobs, Trump is putting more than 11 million jobs at risk in industries that use steel.”

Obviously this is just one example, but how would this be considered a good way to increase wages and create jobs?

Phil222 wrote:

Was referring to the quoted passage....not your question about wages and jobs

Don't have time...nor inclination to flesh out a point by point response....but some top of the head reactions:

Steel production protection is a LOT more than protecting some 140K jobs -- it's about protecting quality, manufacturing capacity, future competitiveness and capabilities, control of supply chains, etc.

11 million people in industries that use steel? No clue wtf that might mean ...but nobody is preventing any of them from using steel....lol...even if cost of 'raw steel' quadruples....there's still going to be a market for it -- those 11M people all going to work at McD's and nobody will produce anything? Are they suggesting that everyone of those 11M jobs will evaporate or move off shore? Doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Just seems like a way to take a couple disparate things and misapply math to make a grandiose conclusion not rooted in any reality

dstieger wrote:

I still don’t understand how tariffs are a good way to increase wages...Chinese or American. Maybe I’m unable to grasp the concept. I will take y’all’s word for it.

Phil222 wrote:

China makes iPhones... Let's say is costs $300 to manufacture a phone that sells for $1000... In order to make that phone in America, it would cost $1000 and probably sell for $3000....

A lot of anti trumpers like to point out that manufacturing jobs aren't coming back to America no matter what... If apple is hit with tariffs that force the manufacturing price of iPhones up to what it would be if they were manufactured domestically, 2 things would happen...

First, Apple would strongly consider relocating manufacturing back to the US, providing jobs and improving the economy...

Second, domestic competitors who previously were unable to compete with slave produced iphone prices will emerge, providing jobs and improving the economy...

The singular reason people oppose these measures is their wallet.... Your phone cost is going up, period... so did cotton prices when the emancipation proclamation was made...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

1. I don't think it should effect all imported goods, only those manufactured simply for cost saving measures based on labor costs and environmental compliance...

2. American cotton was probably way cheaper than British cotton when they freed their slaves first... Western Europe will come around to our side eventually and China will either go broke manufacturing goods no one buys or they will seek humane compliance...

3. I don't view it as artificial support any more than I view the Negro Scholarship find as artificial support for the black race...

4. Yup... We'll live... Like I said, your cell phone price is going up if the slaves are freed... Worth it...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

I didn't miss your point... You may have missed mine... Our share of the global market has collapsed in direct correlation to our willing participation in China's slave labor program... When we and western Europe pull out of that market, we recoup our lost share, China doesn't get to keep it...

opelmanta1900 wrote: