Predestination is not part of all religions; Judaism, and most mainstream Christian denominations do not believe in it. While, yes, it is agreeable that God is omnicient and has the ability to forsee every possible outcome free will makes that determination random therefore God knows the most likely outcomes but surprises can still occur. There is nothing predestined or determined already for us in this life; circumstances can unpredictability change as well as choices.
Even the standard goes according to Biblical Law that even the hand of God cannot interfere with the vote of a council. Say the vote was between red or green shoes. If God came down and demanded that all elders wear green shoes and the council voted for red shoes then the red shoe ruling stands due to our free will.
As for unborn children, we cannot say rightly what happens to them or where their soul goes. The Church for centuries asserted that their souls remain in a state of limbo being niether alive or dead, just stuck in a vaccum more or less until their appointed day to stand before the Lord during the final Judgement.
jjanecka wrote:
That's simply false. You are drawing arbitrary borders around the concepts of "omnipotent" and "omniscient".
If your god knows every possible outcome of a choice, they ALSO know which choice you will make. That's omniscience. You cannot say they know the outcome of every choice (that's knowledge of every possible future) without also acknowledging they will know which choice you will make. If they don't know which choice you will make with your "free will" then they cannot know what the outcomes will be of your choices, because the outcomes will be dependent on other people's choices.
It is logically incompatible to state a god will know the outcome of a choice without also acknowledging that they also know what you will choose.
With that in mind, you have eliminated free will. There may be the illusion of free will, but your god knows every choice you will make from birth to death. They must know this, because some of your choices will be in reaction to other people's "free will", which the god knows the outcome to.
With no free will, every person is born with the full complement of their sins already known. They are not innocent. They were born to be exactly who they will become, sins and all. Innocence is an illusion.
As for what your god chooses to do with unborn kids, that's your religion's choice. I have little care for what they believe occurs. Since the god is both omniscient and omnipotent, they were designed to be killed from the beginning. The god knew what choices the parents would make when the god first created the great great great (etc) grandparents of the dead unborn.
