delta1
5 years ago
was this an example of American justice? maybe...

but impeachments are definitely not a procedure of the American judicial system. Rather it is a Constitutional political process that empowers Congress to exert some oversight on a POTUS. As such, all impeachments of POTUS that have gone to trial are political and partisan events. The results have all been along party lines, so this was predictable.

This one garnered more votes to convict by the POTUS' own party than any other in history. Johnson and Clinton did not have one Senator from his party vote to convict; Trump has had 1, and then 7 of his party's Senators vote for his conviction in his two trials.


wonder if Dems would've convicted Hillary or ___________(D) under the same facts?

or if GOP senators would've voted to convict if Trump was a D?
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago

was this an example of American justice? maybe...

but impeachments are definitely not a procedure of the American judicial system. Rather it is a Constitutional political process that empowers Congress to exert some oversight on a POTUS. As such, all impeachments of POTUS that have gone to trial are political and partisan events. The results have all been along party lines, so this was predictable. This one garnered more votes to convict by the POTUS' own party than any other in history.

delta1 wrote:




The proles got the show trial they wanted.

Party is over, get to work.
delta1
5 years ago
that's what Biden has said all along..."I got a job to do"
rfenst
5 years ago

The proles got the show trial they wanted.

Party is over, get to work.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Yup.
DrafterX
5 years ago
It's not over... everyone who voted not to impeach will be harrassed and humiliated by da left and the liberal media... 😟
delta1
5 years ago
and the 7 GOP Senators who voted to convict Trump must now be frightened for their lives...


can you say " Hang Burr, hang Cassidy, hang Collins, hang Murkowski, hang Romney, hang Sasse, hang Toomey"?
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago

and the 7 GOP Senators who voted to convict Trump must now be frightened for their lives...


can you say " Hang Burr, hang Cassidy, hang Collins, hang Murkowski, hang Romney, hang Sasse, hang Toomey"?

delta1 wrote:



Meh...they think they're patriots!🐴
delta1
5 years ago
what do Trump's followers, like the ones who stormed the Capitol, think of them?
RayR
5 years ago

what do Trump's followers, like the ones who stormed the Capitol, think of them?

delta1 wrote:



They want to cancel them naturally.
CheapPrick
5 years ago

Does anyone remember thinking that the judicial system in America was fair and just? You know, a place where your side was represented fairly and heard without predicated bias? Going into a court room meant meting out a decision based on laws where both sides represent their case with evidence and those sitting in decision hearing the case would do so based on fact. Remember when they didn't legislate from the bench? What about that cute little statue of Lady Justice where she's blindfolded holding a sword with one hand and a scale to balance? Yeah.

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DrMaddVibe wrote:




No....
Krazeehorse
5 years ago
2024 is just around the corner. I wonder what congress' next move is. There's certainly no time to legislate. (And that's probably a good thing)
Speyside
5 years ago
Subverting the constitution is intolerable. I think the question of being constitutional should have been decided by SCOTUS before any trial started.
delta1
5 years ago
here's an idea that both Trump's defense attorneys and Mitch McConnell proposed: hold Trump accountable in a criminal court of law...

will Trump get justice, or will it desert him...
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago

Subverting the constitution is intolerable. I think the question of being constitutional should have been decided by SCOTUS before any trial started.

Speyside wrote:



Chief Justice Roberts pretty much stated that by not participating.

It was the bloodlust of Pelosi that stymied the mob frenzy.
rfenst
5 years ago

Subverting the constitution is intolerable. I think the question of being constitutional should have been decidnced by SCOTUS before any trial started.

Speyside wrote:


Thankfully, I think it all went well with Leahey presiding. A litigation party has to show actual controversy, actual damages or the likelihood of reparable harm, among other standards, to go to court for damages or to compel performance. Both
sides seemed fine without Roberts. The way he did it, Roberts was free to rule from SCOTUS on any procedural impeachment conflicts that may have risen.
tailgater
5 years ago

what do Trump's followers, like the ones who stormed the Capitol, think of them?

delta1 wrote:



And what do the liberals (Biden followers, no doubt) who burned our cities for the better part of 2020 think of the republicans who voted to acquit? Complicit with the media and leftist politicians they're already slinging sh*t their way.
Burner02
5 years ago
Why did the left give up so easily on calling their hearsay witness?

Guessing Nancy and Chuck did not want to take the stand when called by the right.

Funny how things change when the shoe is on the other foot.
delta1
5 years ago
her statement was read and placed into the record...GOP said they were gonna call 100's of witnesses to drag out the trial for weeks/months if Dems wanted to call witnesses...

political calculation about the value of a long impeachment trial, potential evidence to be gained by any witness vs. confidence in the case presented to that point

compared to; a shortened trial freeing the Senate to take it's part in determining Biden's agenda
delta1
5 years ago

And what do the liberals (Biden followers, no doubt) who burned our cities for the better part of 2020 think of the republicans who voted to acquit? Complicit with the media and leftist politicians they're already slinging sh*t their way.

tailgater wrote:



this liberal thinks that everyone who committed a crime during the protests of the summer should be arrested and held accountable by our criminal justice system...

just as everybody who committed a crime protesting the results of a fair and free election and then trying to stop a lawful Constitutional process should be arrested and held accountable...


the difference between the two is substantial; those who had an opportunity to be impartial jurors at Trump's second impeachment trial charged with inciting the crimes that occurred at the Capitol violated their oaths as much as the POTUS violated his oath in doing his part of the events of Jan 6...

the party of the Constitution has turned its back to it, and has accepted willful violence to become part of the election process...

the protests of the summer were much less significant in comparison...cons said so much in telling those people they had no legitimate reason to protest
Burner02
5 years ago

her statement was read and placed into the record...GOP said they were gonna call 100's of witnesses to drag out the trial for weeks/months if Dems wanted to call witnesses...

political calculation about the value of a long impeachment trial, potential evidence to be gained by any witness vs. confidence in the case presented to that point

compared to; a shortened trial freeing the Senate to take it's part in determining Biden's agenda

delta1 wrote:





Having statement read is not the same as taking the stand. Hard to ask a statement a direct question on what you knew and when did you know.
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