frankj1
5 years ago

To stop illegal aliens a single wall is not very effective. Dig a moat about 100 feet deep and 100 feet wide. Lay in walls and a bottom of siliconized cement. Then lay a layer hardened steel. Finish with another layer of siliconized cement. Fill the moat with a highly conductive fluid and electrify it with a high amperage system. Place barriers on both sides with accurate warnings. Place automated raised gun turrets at appropriate distances. Blow anything that floats out of the water. Problem gone.

Speyside wrote:


I dunno, Allen. Sounds like you've done a lot of scientific research and given it an awful lot of thought.
As you know, we don't take kindly to that stuff...College Boy.
tonygraz
5 years ago
Yeah, but the college boy forgot that people can usually fly over obstructions in planes, balloons or the guy that flew over here a few months ago in a motorized para sail device. Then there are always tunnels and ocean venturing crafts. But who knew all this when they bought the lies and the free wall.
MACS
5 years ago
Sooooo... because the house has broken windows, you should leave the doors open? Maybe we fix the windows, too, huh?

You're 20 miles off shore. Your boat has a small leak and a really big one. Which one ya wanna fix first?
frankj1
5 years ago

Sooooo... because the house has broken windows, you should leave the doors open? Maybe we fix the windows, too, huh?

You're 20 miles off shore. Your boat has a small leak and a really big one. Which one ya wanna fix first?

MACS wrote:


I hitch a ride to Canada and walk over to Vermont...HA!
I pray there's never talk of a wall on the northern border, or east or west coasts. Doubt one on the south border really would make a difference, and not sure if everyone agrees with the goals. But whatever.

now that you mention it, we are decades behind coming up with a coherent, clear, fair, and very needed workable immigration policy though...DECADES! not two months. We do need many of them folks though, and they do need us.

Not But Biden, not But Trump, nor Obama, Cheney (I keed, I keed) or any POTUS singularly.
All inherited a potential mess. None really fixed it despite self promotions. Some made it worse. Yes, even before Biden.

Whether people have hatred in their hearts, or truly believe jobs are being stolen, or whatever, it's not been addressed as a priority. Sometimes fears, real or imagined, can push stuff to the front of the debate stage.

What makes it a little harder to solve is that there are a significant amount of Trumpers in Congress, and across the country, even here, who are delighted and hoping to see this become far worse. Kind of un-American in my eyes.
So be it.

Nothing gets solved rooting for failure in hopes of winning the next election.
That's party over country.
That's a bad thing, mmkay?
MACS
5 years ago
Are canadians coming across in the millions? Do they make up 65% of the prison population in any of the states they immigrate to? Apples and oranges, my friend.

The southern border is a problem that has been ignored, like you say, by everyone before Trump. He said he'd address it. Enough Americans wanted it done (and hated Hillary) and elected him. He addressed it, and Herr Fuhrer's puppet masters are undoing it.

Whistlebritches
5 years ago
Let's face it......Biden could **** up a train wreck with a rubber hammer
Abrignac
5 years ago
The solution is much simpler. The US provides about $320M in aid a year to Mexico. Mexico stops the migrants at its southern border or we stop foreign aid to Mexico.
MACS
5 years ago

The solution is much simpler. The US provides about $320M in aid a year to Mexico. Mexico stops the migrants at its southern border or we stop foreign aid to Mexico.

Abrignac wrote:



Stop talking sense.
tailgater
5 years ago
We literally don't need an actual wall.
Just a virtual one:

Make it illegal to hire illegals. I mean REALLY illegal. Like take away your business license or make the fine $100k per infraction. Stuff like that.

Make it illegal for municipalities to provide social services to illegals. Take away federal funding to "sanctuary" cities. Let them provide basic human needs AND make it mandatory to call ICE.

Nobody will come here if we shut off the spigot.

frankj1
5 years ago

Are canadians coming across in the millions? Do they make up 65% of the prison population in any of the states they immigrate to? Apples and oranges, my friend.

The southern border is a problem that has been ignored, like you say, by everyone before Trump. He said he'd address it. Enough Americans wanted it done (and hated Hillary) and elected him. He addressed it, and Herr Fuhrer's puppet masters are undoing it.

MACS wrote:


I said I pray they don't ever start talking about a wall on the northern border...
it was partly in jest as I added the left and right coasts too.
But it's foolish to think that a southern wall will change anything, especially if one believes the area to be the source of all the bad hombres.

You're picturing white Canadiens coming here in a panic and laughing...correctly.
But don't you think lots of brown people from all over can get into friendly Canada easily and then slip into the US? Don't you think it happens daily?
But it's easier to push the scary picture of sleazy south of the border types.

It was a marketing plan to garner votes. Even worked once...once.

You can spend your time and money catching and jailing street level dealers in the inner city as they've done for decades while better off suburban kids (like me) got threatened with a call to parents (this explains why the population you always saw was heavily ethnic).
OR
You can go after the big guys. And that ain't gonna happen.

and those big guys won't let a beautiful wall stop them either.

Do you think for one second there isn't plenty of illegal stuff crossing the snowy borders? Or coming in from the ocean sides? Or flying over that friggin' wall?

Puh-leeze.

I see it as Trump garnering votes when he addressed testosterone induced anger and directed it in a way that didn't change our safety from anything, but did make lettuce more expensive.

Cutting off aid to the countries that populate the "caravans" of hopefuls headed our way made things more difficult at home for them. That was his role in today's issue. Biden also has his own role.

Too easy to write so many off as druggies, whores, rapists, and other forms of scum. But identifying them as that sure stokes some emotion in the gut.

I can't imagine what I would do in their situation, can you?
I mean, three of my grandparents knew what to do. Am I as amazing as them?
Hope to never get the chance to find out.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago

We literally don't need an actual wall.
Just a virtual one:

Make it illegal to hire illegals. I mean REALLY illegal. Like take away your business license or make the fine $100k per infraction. Stuff like that.

Make it illegal for municipalities to provide social services to illegals. Take away federal funding to "sanctuary" cities. Let them provide basic human needs AND make it mandatory to call ICE.

Nobody will come here if we shut off the spigot.

tailgater wrote:



That's why nobody made it a thing prior to trump...

Democrats wanted votes in the future, Republicans wanted cheap labor now... win win.

frankj1
5 years ago

We literally don't need an actual wall.
Just a virtual one:

Make it illegal to hire illegals. I mean REALLY illegal. Like take away your business license or make the fine $100k per infraction. Stuff like that.

Make it illegal for municipalities to provide social services to illegals. Take away federal funding to "sanctuary" cities. Let them provide basic human needs AND make it mandatory to call ICE.

Nobody will come here if we shut off the spigot.

tailgater wrote:


you and I have spoken of this before.
Without a whole lot of tweaking, we could create a bipartisan plan to fix this, and still have time for steak tips and a brew or two.

Enforcing the business part would probably make the rest unnecessary.

But would Americans take the menial jobs, as they are offered currently? And don't forget, 25% of doctors and stuff are foreigners. We ain't talking 'bout just picking lettuce and vacuuming hotel rooms
teedubbya
5 years ago
I agree with tail, frank, and bgz here. We are being played.
frankj1
5 years ago
just great.
having you on my side is the kiss of death around here.
I'll never make friends now!
teedubbya
5 years ago
I’m sorry is it too late for me to tell you you suck and you are totally wrong
frankj1
5 years ago
one way to find out...
Speyside
5 years ago
Combine Joe's and Anthony's suggestions. That end the debacle.
rfenst
5 years ago

The solution is much simpler. The US provides about $320M in aid a year to Mexico. Mexico stops the migrants at its southern border or we stop foreign aid to Mexico.

Abrignac wrote:


Bingo!
DrafterX
5 years ago
Not now John..... 😟
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
5 years ago

The solution is much simpler. The US provides about $320M in aid a year to Mexico. Mexico stops the migrants at its southern border or we stop foreign aid to Mexico.

Abrignac wrote:



Bingo!

rfenst wrote:



You might be wrong about that... if we stop giving them aid, they might stop sending us Central Americans. They already stopped sending us Mexicans... we're almost tapped out.

Before you know it, all that's going to be left is Brazilians and I don't even think they speak Spanish... Floorman and bosses around the country are going to have to start hiring people that know Portuguese... and that sh*t's expensive, because nobody speaks that crap.
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