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Speyside
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5 years ago

https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/article/how-confederate-battle-flag-became-symbol-racism

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RayR
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5 years ago

If the Stars and Bars American flag is a symbol of racism, then so to must be the Stars and Stripes American flag.
It is only logical based on illogical progressive thinking on the left or the right.

rfenst
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5 years ago

https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/article/how-confederate-battle-flag-became-symbol-racism

Speyside wrote:

Good read. Thanks.

RayR
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5 years ago

The article is leftist/neocon propaganda. "enduring symbol of racism" my azz!

What the Stars and Bars truly represented:

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/six-reasons-to-love-the-confederate-battle-flag/

Mr. Jones
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5 years ago

Lewistown, Pa residents and the surrounding 5 mile radius sure love displaying the Confederacy stars and bars...
No political correctness B.S. going on up there...
CNN should do a CRT STORY about the local school curriculum...

borndead1
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5 years ago

"[The Confederacy's] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition."
- Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, 1861

The stars and bars absolutely is an enduring symbol of racism, because the very foundation of the Confederacy was racist.

And for all the revisionists who try to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, please do some reading.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

RayR
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5 years ago

borndead1 wrote:

Thanks, you laid the exact foundation for the Union as a Lincoln saw it too.
I reckon you need to do more reading.

Lincoln On Slavery:

“… when they [slaveowners] remind us of their constitutional rights, I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the claiming of their fugitives.” ~ Lincoln, speaking in support of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850.

“…in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you… I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that ‘I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.’ ”

“I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.” ~ Lincoln, speaking in regards to slavery and in support of a proposed Thirteenth Amendment to explicitly guarantee slavery.

Lincoln On Blacks:

“The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people.” ~ Lincoln, on whether blacks – slave or free – should be allowed in the new territories in the west, October 16, 1854.

“I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary.” ~ Lincoln, Aug. 21, 1858, in remarks stating his belief that blacks were naturally inferior to whites, which was a nearly universal belief on the part of whites in both the North and South long before and long after the Civil War.

“Root, hog, or die” ~ Lincoln’s suggestion to illiterate and propertyless ex-slaves unprepared for freedom, Feb. 3, 1865.

“They had better be set to digging their subsistence out of the ground.” ~ Lincoln in a War Department memo, April 16, 1863

“Send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” ~ Lincoln, speaking in favor of ethnic cleansing all blacks from the United States.

“I cannot make it better known than it already is, that I favor colonization.” ~ Lincoln, in a message to Congress, December 1, 1862, supporting deportation of all blacks from America.

Abolitionist and advocate of free trade, William Lloyd Garrison on Lincoln:

“President Lincoln may colonize himself if he choose, but it is an impertinent act, on his part, to propose the getting rid of those who are as good as himself.”

“[Lincoln] had not a drop of anti-slavery blood in his veins.”

borndead1
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5 years ago

Haha...WHATABOUTWHATABOUTWHATABOUT

We're not talking about Lincoln. Stay on topic.

Speyside
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5 years ago

Not to harsh. You were born dead. They were born brain dead.

Smooth light
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5 years ago

#10

You're all dead on this subject, slavery is dead,quit digging up the dead. That's what the war settled.

Crying over spilled milk...

RayR
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5 years ago

#11

You're all dead on this subject, slavery is dead,quit digging up the dead. That's what the war settled.

Crying over spilled milk...

Smooth light wrote:

Unless you are like borndead, who has swallowed the Lincolnian myth hook, line, and sinker, so he now can't handle the truth that Alexander H. Stephens views on race were the same as Abe Lincoln. And like it or not that was the predominant view on race of most people in the North and the South. I know it makes some people sob and cry. "No it can't be true!, they told me in skool that da Southerners were all racists and insurrectionists who wanted to destroy America and the Northerners led by Father Abraham all loved the black man and wanted him to be free and equal, and save the union and stuff.!"
All I can say is get a grip ya whiners!

The only thing the war settled was as historian Jeffrey Rogers Hummel said in his book, Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men, "The Civil War represents the simultaneous culmination and repudiation of the American Revolution", ...as a revolutionary right, the legitimacy of secession is universal and unconditional. That is how the Declaration of Independence reads. "Put simply", agrees William Appleman Williams, "the cause of the Civil War was a refusal of Lincoln and other northerners to honor the revolutionary right of self determination—the touchstone of the American Revolution".
[Jeffrey Rogers Hummel - Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men Page 351]

Edited by user 5 years ago | Reason: Not specified

teedubbya
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5 years ago

#12

neo-Confederate revisionism Is an interesting study itself

RayR
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5 years ago

#13

neo-Confederate revisionism Is an interesting study itself

teedubbya wrote:

On the subject of the War to Prevent Southern Independence", If you are actually interested in the true historical record instead of the pre-packaged synthetic nonsense that is sold as history to promote this or that political agenda, then the debate will quickly devolve to schoolyard name-calling, "Neo-Confederate" will surely pop up as one. It's the equivalent of calling someone a "deplorable".
It's idiotic of course, even though there are secessionist movements of various types today in the U.S. today, I know of not one that is proposing the rebirth of the Confederate States of America.

drglnc
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5 years ago

#14

The only legit Confederate flag is solid white... anyone that flies any other flag connected to the confederacy outside of a museum or living history location (IE, Gettysburg and the like) are simply showing support for a failed state that was an Enemy of the US made up of traitors. Funny though that many of the people that continue to fly these flags would be the first to complain and call names should someone fly a flag of any other enemy of the US on US soil... Hell, most of them loose their Sh%t over flags not related to enemies and traitors (IE Rainbow Flags...)

Speyside
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5 years ago

#15

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White . Look it up here's you constitutional answer.

RayR
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5 years ago

#16

drglnc wrote:

Blah Blah...Blah Blah Blah...Blah!...USA! USA! USA!...DA FLAGS!...DA FLAGS!...Blah Blah Blah...Blah Blah! FAILED STATE!...ENEMIES OF THE US!...TRAITORRRRRRRS! Blah Blah...Blah Blah Blah!...Blah
Let me guess...you went to neocon skool for your imperial conditioning?

drglnc
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5 years ago

#17

RayR wrote:

so... in your mind they were not traitors? they were not the enemy? what do you call those fighting a war against the US from inside the US? Since when does support for ones Country against an enemy waging war on its soil require "imperial conditioning" ? Most of us refer to that as Patriotisms...