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Smooth light
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5 years ago

#21

Sorry RayR , I would rather celebrate the good things of this Union, instead of living in the past.

But we all learn from the mistakes of the past or just replace them with new ones... Wisdom is the principal thing.

drglnc
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5 years ago

#22

just gonna plagiarize Thomas D and regurgitate his ideas?if we are just stealing other peoples thoughts then lets be honest about it...

In 1933, during an after-dinner discussion in Munich, Adolf Hitler bemoaned the South's defeat in chilling terms: "The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with them also the embryo of a future truly great America that would not have been ruled by a corrupt caste of tradesmen, but by a real Herren-class that would have swept away all the falsities of liberty and equality." Don Doyle in his book The Cause of All Nations: An International History of the American Civil War

teedubbya
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5 years ago

#23

drglnc you will find many in here argue with youtube videos and regurgitate blogs etc rather than with their own original thoughts. And they want you to argue with their youtube videos and blog posts. Then they will respond with youtube videos and blogs rinse and repeat. It is because they can not argue with original thought and do not have the ability for a fluent discussion on their own. Just the way it is.

RayR
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5 years ago

#24

Smooth light wrote:

Smoothy, I disagree on one thing, many Americans don't learn from the mistakes of the past, they just keep repeating them.
Wisdom seems an elusive thing.

Speyside
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5 years ago

#25

Wisdom isn't elusive, accepting it is.

drglnc
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5 years ago

#26

many Americans don't learn from the mistakes of the past, they just keep repeating them.

RayR wrote:

Like trickle down economics...

teedubbya
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5 years ago

#27

Or January 6

RayR
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5 years ago

#28

drglnc wrote:

Quoting Lincoln is plagiarizing Thomas D.? You're weird.

You regurgitated an incomplete Adolf quote:

"This is the last disgusting death-rattle of a corrupt and outworn system which is a blot on the history of this people. Since the civil war, in which the southern states were conquered, against all historical logic and sound sense, the American people have been in a condition of political and popular decay. In that war, it was not the Southern States, but the American people themselves who were conquered. In this spurious blossoming of economic progress and power politics, America has ever since been drawn deeper into the mire of progressive self-destruction. The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with them also the embryo of a future truly great America that would not have been ruled by a corrupt caste of tradesmen, but by a real Herren-class that would have swept away all the falsities of liberty and equality."

No doubt, Hitler was a weirdo, he loved slavery, and to promote slavery of undesirables meant centralization of power in the hands of a few, militarism and the marginalization of Jews, Blacks, and anybody else that didn't fit his Aryan model. Destroying federalism and bringing all power to the center as he did in Germany is just like what Lincoln did by propagating the war. Another thing you Linconite nationalists always forget and I always got to remind you is there was slavery in some Union states during the war and Lincoln didn't raise a finger to do anything about it.

Hitler might have bemoaned the loss of black slavery and an aristocratic military caste to rule over America forever, he thought that sucked but he sure loved all that centralization of power which necessarily requires usurping power by violating the constitution while diminishing state sovereignty and denying political self-determination.
Lincoln achieved all that. My point is dicktators think a lot alike sometimes.

Besides Father Abraham wanted to deport all those enslaved black folk.
As the late African American author Lerone Bennett, Jr. said to a largely black American audience, "If the quote, unquote "great emancipator" had been able to carry out his lifelong dream of deporting my great great grandmama and your great great grandmama and great grandpapa and create the great all white Eden, we would not be here". You can find that in a speech he made that's on C-SPAN video.

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RayR
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5 years ago

#29

Like trickle down economics...

drglnc wrote:

Like progressivism.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

5 years ago

#30

trickle down economics is like progressivism?

ummmm.........no

delta1
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5 years ago

#31

Smoothy, I disagree on one thing, many Americans don't learn from the mistakes of the past, they just keep repeating them.
Wisdom seems an elusive thing.

RayR wrote:

OK...that is correct...but I think we part ways where we see who is afflicted by this elusive thing...

case in point: current push nationwide by GOP to suppress the vote is reminiscent of the pre-and Civil Rights Era tactics...

Smooth light
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5 years ago

#32

Do as I say, not what I do. Let's say we did but didn't.

Progressivism, tolerance of intolerance. (Alice in wonderland, off with their heads)

RayR
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5 years ago

#33

trickle down economics is like progressivism?

ummmm.........no

delta1 wrote:

Biden says if you have the FED print lots of counterfeit dough It'll trickle down and make everyone rich and prosperous.
That's trickle-down progressive economics! Yes?

RayR
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5 years ago

#34

delta1 wrote:

You mean that Jim Crow 2.0 stuff that I saw Chucky Schumer and Stacey Abrams yaking about on those YouTube ads I saw? HAHAHAHA!...what a bunch of anti-American evil clowns. 👺 [SKIP AD] They must have gone to Venezuela for tips on how to cheat at voting.

That H.L Mencken wrote of the founding fathers, "They realized the essential weakness of democracy, and predicted some of its worst excesses – now unhappy and inescapable realities. They warned that giving the vote to incompetent, despairing and envious people would breed demagogues to rouse and rally them, and that the whole democratic process would thus be converted into organized pillage and plunder."

Come'on man is that true or what?! Who needs more blockheads voting for demagogues? I mean look at the moron administration we got now.

HockeyDad
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5 years ago

#35

If the choice is to be pillaged and plundered or pillage and plunder, go with pillage and plunder every time.

teedubbya
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5 years ago

#36

did the southern strategy ever really stop?

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

5 years ago

#37

No.

frankj1
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5 years ago

#38

rayr wrote:
"Besides Father Abraham wanted to deport all those enslaved black folk."

could be, but the best part is the idea was from T. Jefferson many decades prior.
Based on his fear of getting deservedly mutilated by his human property if he freed them...so he talked about the right thing but never lived it.

Of the estimated 600 or so humans he owned in his life, he did free something like 8 or nine of them, maybe half stipulated in his will after his death...too close for comfort?

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DrMaddVibe
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5 years ago

#39

If the choice is to be pillaged and plundered or pillage and plunder, go with pillage and plunder every time.

HockeyDad wrote:

Gotta have a side of "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!"...with pickles!

RayR
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5 years ago

#40

frankj1 wrote:

This is true Frank, he was in discussions with others like Madison on the possibilities of the emancipated slaves colonized someplace whether in N. America or elsewhere. They bounced around ideas, looking for solutions.

Jefferson was interested in ending the institution of slavery since his younger days, when he was a member of the Virginia House of Burgesses he introduced a bill to do just that, but you know how governments are, it was too radical for its time so nobody acted on it.

In the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, he denounced King George and slavery, again too radical for others to swallow so it never made it to the final document:

"He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another."

Jefferson also drafted the Ordinance of 1784 which would have restricted slavery in all territories in the west both north and south. Again, it failed to pass as written and by only one vote in Congress because of that slavery clause.

You are being hyperbolic, maybe even crazy saying "Based on his fear of getting deservedly mutilated by his human property if he freed them...so he talked about the right thing but never lived it."
Get out of the cartoon land Frank, It just wasn't that easy freeing a slave in his time, there were legal roadblocks and great expense involved to discourage it. There was opposition to it based on where would they go if freed? What about families? People were concerned with the competition with white labor. Would some become criminals? Some people didn't want them around at all. It was a mess.

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