JadeRose
5 years ago

We have signs in the airport restrooms about washing your hands. They’ve been there since MERS and SARS. Right next to them is the sign saying “California is in a drought. Do your part to conserve water.”

HockeyDad wrote:





That's why you wash your hand in the toilet. Dumba$$.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

That's why you wash your hand in the toilet. Dumba$$.

JadeRose wrote:



I hang out in the United Club away from the peasants washing their hands in the toilets.
MACS
5 years ago

If masks don't work at all to protect others, please tell your surgeon and operating nurses they don't need to wear them during surgery.

rfenst wrote:



In a sterile environment, after everyone has scrubbed down... I'm sure they're moderately effective.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

In a sterile environment, after everyone has scrubbed down... I'm sure they're moderately effective.

MACS wrote:



I betcha if Rfenst knew the doctor was Covid positive and the doctor said he was fine and had a mask he would still postpone the surgery.
ZRX1200
5 years ago
https://www.dailywire.com/news/offspring-drummer-writes-viral-post-opposing-vaccine-mandates-parts-ways-with-him-over-medical-inability-to-get-shot 


LMAO

It’s hilarious seeing Brownshirt type behavior here who mocked rednecks who were out to get mooselems after 911….
rfenst
5 years ago

I betcha if Rfenst knew the doctor was Covid positive and the doctor said he was fine and had a mask he would still postpone the surgery.

HockeyDad wrote:


Like you wouldn't?
I have never believed that masks are 100% effective/efficient.
RayR
5 years ago
Koo Koo for Cocopuffs!

NIH Director Wants Parents to Wear Masks at Home Around Their Children, “I know it seems weird”

August 3, 2021 | Sundance

National Institute of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins wants to show America just how insufferably nuts the United States healthcare industry has become. So, he goes on television and tells parents the best advice from the scientists, who are guiding public health policy, is for parents to wear face masks inside their homes if they have unvaccinated children.

Knowing the words coming out of his mouth are absolutely nuts, the Director of the NIH says: “I know it seems weird, but it is the best way to protect your kids.”

More...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/03/nih-director-wants-parents-to-wear-masks-at-home-around-their-children-i-know-it-seems-weird/ 

rfenst
5 years ago
Study examines how kids in households can spread virus

The New York Times[b/
Babies and toddlers are less likely to bring the coronavirus into their homes than teenagers are, but once they are infected, they are more likely to spread the virus to others in their households, according to a large new study by a Canadian public health agency.

The findings can be explained, at least in part, by behavioral factors, experts said, including the fact that very young children require lots of hands-on care and cannot be isolated when they are sick.

The study, which was published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics on Monday, does not resolve an ongoing debate over whether infected children are as contagious as adults, and it does not suggest that toddlers are driving the pandemic. But it demonstrates that even very young children can still play a role.

“This study showed that even the youngest of children readily transmit the virus,” said Zoe Hyde, a public health researcher at the University of Western Australia, who was not involved in the research.


She added: “The key takeaway for me is that it clearly shows that there’s transmission from children occurring in the household. This means we urgently need to think about how we’re going to protect schools when they reopen shortly.”
During the early months of the pandemic, some scientists suggested that young children, in particular, rarely got infected with or transmitted the virus. But those observations may have been distorted by the fact that most children had few social encounters during that time.


“I think they were biased by the fact that children were sequestered at home,” said Dr. Tina Hartert, a respiratory researcher at Vanderbilt University, who was not involved in the new study. “They were recommended not even to play with neighbors, they didn’t go to school, they didn’t go to day care.”

The new study, which was conducted by researchers at Public Health Ontario, is based on records of COVID-19 cases and positive coronavirus tests in Ontario from June 1 to Dec. 31, 2020.

They focused on 6,280 households in which the first person to catch the virus was under 18. Then they looked for secondary cases, or others in the same home who got sick in the two weeks after the first child fell ill.

In most cases, they found, the chain of transmission stopped with the infected child, but in 27.3% of households, children passed the virus along to at least one other resident.

Adolescents were most likely to bring the virus into the home: Children ages 14-17 made up 38% of all the index cases. Children ages 3 or younger were the first to get sick in just 12% of households — but they were the most likely to spread the virus to others in their homes. The odds of household transmission were roughly 40% higher when the infected child was 3 or younger than when they were 14-17.

The findings may be the result of behavioral differences between toddlers and teens, medical experts said.

“When we think about what’s teen social behavior outside of the house, they’re spending a lot of time together, they’re often in quite close quarters, they’re often touching or sharing a drink,” said Dr. Susan Coffin, an infectious disease specialist in Philadelphia, who was not involved in the study.

Those behaviors could make teens more likely to contract the virus and bring it home, she said.

On the other hand, while very young children probably have less social interaction outside the home, they tend to be in close physical contact with others in their households, in addition to frequently putting their hands and other objects in their mouths, which could help spread the virus. “Once they bring it into the household, it can be spread easily,” Coffin said.
HockeyDad
5 years ago
Those babies and toddlers should have been aborted but the least we can do is order them to wear masks around the house.
Stogie1020
5 years ago
From your above article rfenst:

The new study, which was conducted by researchers at Public Health Ontario, is based on records of COVID-19 cases and positive coronavirus tests in Ontario from June 1 to Dec. 31, 2020.

They focused on 6,280 households in which the first person to catch the virus was under 18. Then they looked for secondary cases, or others in the same home who got sick in the two weeks after the first child fell ill.

In most cases, they found, the chain of transmission stopped with the infected child, but in 27.3% of households, children passed the virus along to at least one other resident.



So, they are saying that if a kid brings this home, there is a 72.7% chance no one else in the house would get sick, and this study was conducted in mid to late 2020 when vaccination rates (for parents and 12yoa+) were lower than they are now (as well as natural immunity levels). Does not seem like a huge issue to me.

It will be interesting to see what the rate of breakthrough infections is for unvaccinated kids bringing COVID home to fully vaccinated parents.
CamoRoon
5 years ago
By the time this entire Cluster F is over there will be more Americans wishing they were dead than actually died. A few years ago something like 88,000 people died of regular flu. Not a peep about it affecting everyday life and business. Where was all this concern then. Perhaps 88,000 is below the threshold of some folks humanity. No matter what we do, everyone of us will die. You better get busy figuring out who to blame your demise on. The new trend is there must be someone to blame. If you pour gasoline on yourself and light a match is it the fault of the oil company or the match manufacturer? If you were really worried about dying you wouldn't be on a cigar site wondering what beer people are drinking.
delta1
5 years ago

Masking is not very fluid here. We vaccinated were mask-free for 7 weeks.

My county is 74.8% fully vaccinated. My city is 88.5% fully vaccinated. It kinda redefines the definitions of “herd immunity” and “vaccine”.

Now we’re just super-spreaders. I wonder if all those childhood vaccines worked that way.

HockeyDad wrote:



pretty sure the protection of unvaccinated people is the goal here...our millions of children are ineligible for vaccines....it's better to be safe than sorry...

lotta people like to drink and get drunk, or drive their cars at 120 plus MPH...the mandate against driving when drunk, and reckless speeding are reasonable and accepted limitations of individual freedoms that protect innocent people


unlike the regular flu, we don't have any great treatment for severe cases of covid...I don't remember a flu season that's been so bad, that it swamped hospitals across the nation, let alone the world...
rfenst
5 years ago
CDC action heats up debate over vaccine boosters

The Hill

The debate over COVID-19 vaccine boosters is intensifying after federal health authorities authorized a third dose of the vaccine for immunocompromised people last week.

Health experts said the decision made sense, but the move is likely to spur more confusion than clarity about the need for a booster dose.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) made clear they authorized a third dose, not a booster, because the shots are considered part of the primary vaccine series.

According to officials, data increasingly show that some people with compromised immune systems do not get the full benefit after just two doses.

The CDC had a very narrow definition of who is immunocompromised: it includes people undergoing treatment for solid tumors or blood cancers; organ transplant patients, including those who have gotten a stem cell transplant within the last two years; and people with advanced or untreated HIV.

Camille Nelson Kotton, a member of the CDC’s independent vaccine advisory panel, said the public should realize there's “a pretty big distinction” between a booster dose for the general public and a third dose for people with moderate and severely compromised immune systems.

Kotton, who is the clinical director of immunocompromised care in the infectious diseases division of Massachusetts General Hospital, said booster doses are needed when people have an “appropriate” immune response that's waned over time, like having tetanus boosters every 10 years.

“So far we are not recommending boosters for any population,” Kotton said. The public “should trust the science and trust the CDC guidance on this. And we would not recommend that people take matters into their own hands at this point.”

But even as experts say a broad push for boosters is premature and uncertain, conflicting messages from the drug industry and from abroad threaten to muddy the waters even further.

Israel launched its first-in-the-world booster campaign two weeks ago, targeting Israelis over the age of 50 who received their second Pfizer dose more than five months ago.

On Monday, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett announced that more than a million Israelis have received a booster.

“Hundreds of thousands of people understand that our decision to give out a third vaccine is what these times call for,” Bennett said in a statement.

In the U.S., drug companies Pfizer and Moderna have said they will seek authorization for a booster shot.

Pfizer and BioNTech on Monday said they submitted early-stage clinical data to the FDA as part of their application for approval of a booster dose for anyone at least 16 years old.

The companies said a booster dose of their vaccine generated “significantly higher neutralizing antibodies” against the original coronavirus strain as well as the beta and delta variants.

“The data we’ve seen to date suggest a third dose of our vaccine elicits antibody levels that significantly exceed those seen after the two-dose primary schedule,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said in a statement.

However, the companies do not yet have the late-stage data to confirm those results. Bourla said results “are expected shortly” and will be submitted to the FDA and other regulatory authorities worldwide.

But Pfizer did not begin its global phase three study until July 1, with an estimated completion date of October 2022. The FDA usually requires phase three studies before granting approval.

Despite the push from the manufacturers, federal health officials do not appear to be ready to endorse booster shots for the general public.

Last month, the FDA and CDC quickly pushed back in a rare joint statement after Pfizer suggested booster shots, saying they were not currently needed.

Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said he understands that people are anxious, and acknowledged the CDC’s distinction between “third shot” and “booster” might get lost on the general public.

“People kind of just do what they want to do. Witness that 25 to 30 percent of people in this country who just say 'no, thank you,' for the vaccine. It's frustrating. You can do your best to educate, but it's hard,” Offit said.

Offit said the focus instead should be on making sure as many people in the U.S. get vaccinated as possible, and sending significantly more doses overseas.

“That's why we still are talking about masks and boosters and isolation and quarantine, because we have a critical percentage of people in this country that haven't been vaccinated. That should be the focus in this country because that's why the virus is spreading,” Offit said.

“The booster dosing issue is really trivial in terms of really getting on top of this pandemic.”
HockeyDad
5 years ago
^^^^^^^

That’s already old news.

Sept 20 starts booster shots for all fully vaccinated. 8 months after your second shot.

(And you still have to wear a mask)
CamoRoon
5 years ago
We have lived my entire life under the threat of nuclear or biological war. The kind of events that make everybody seriously sick or dead. I'd like to believe that uncle sam has plans in place for countless quick response ICU units that could address such a situation. There is always talk about all the beds being full but if the local hospital is all there is, what would we have done if covid had a 20% mortality rate across the entire population? From what I've read, people who seek and receive treatment as soon as symptoms arise recover much better than those who wait too long. Perhaps we should be putting our attention to that aspect and also identifying how many people carry natural immunity. I don't see an organized effort pushing those things on tv or radio every day.
CamoRoon
5 years ago
"We comply and don't even ask why.". That statement scares me more than covid. Is there a guy playing the flute walking in front of you?
DrafterX
5 years ago
Are the beds full or is a staff shortage..?? No beds sounds scarier but staff shortage is normally the case... 😟
HockeyDad
5 years ago

"We comply and don't even ask why.". That statement scares me more than covid. Is there a guy playing the flute walking in front of you?

CamoRoon wrote:



In California we are a one-party state. The flute player is Gavin Newsom and the Democrat Central Committee.
RayR
5 years ago

Are the beds full or is a staff shortage..?? No beds sounds scarier but staff shortage is normally the case... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



If they keep firing hospital staff for refusing to take the jab, I'm sure patient care will improve.8-[

Like this...

Massive Nurse Shortage Hits Houston—Weeks After 150 Unvaccinated Nurses and Hospital Workers Fired

Houston hospitals have “reached a breaking point” amid a COVID-19 outbreak, which struck weeks after 150 hospital workers were fired by Houston Methodist hospital, one of several hospitals struggling.

Wednesday, August 18, 2021

Jennifer Bridges knew what was coming when her director at Houston Methodist hospital called her up in June to inquire about her vaccination status.

Bridges, a 39-year-old registered nurse, responded "absolutely not" when asked if she was vaccinated or had made an effort to get vaccinated. She was terminated on the spot.

"We all knew we were getting fired," Bridges, 39, told CBS News. "We knew unless we took that shot to come back, we were getting fired today. There was no ifs, ands or buts."

Bridges was one of more than 150 hospital workers fired by Houston Methodist hospital.

"All last year, through the COVID pandemic, we came to work and did our jobs,” said Kara Shepherd, a labor and delivery nurse who joined Bridges and other workers in an unsuccessful lawsuit. “We did what we were asked. This year, we're basically told we're disposable."

More...

https://fee.org/articles/massive-nurse-shortage-hits-houston-weeks-after-150-unvaccinated-nurses-and-hospital-workers-fired/ 


RayR
5 years ago
Show you are sheeple and you are stylish and you care...

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https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Official-COVID-19-Vaccination-Bracelet/dp/B08W4KKXD8 

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