delta1
4 years ago
any people who break the law while protesting or otherwise exercising their 1st Amendment rights should be arrested, charged and tried...just as those who violently broke into and occupied the Capitol on Jan. 6....none of whom have been hanged, but are getting their due process...hanging is what the Jan 6 mad mob had in mind when they brought a gallows and a noose to the capitol and went looking for Pelosi and Pence...

but to compare this attack on the Dept. of the Interior with 1/6 is egregious conflation ...

this conveniently overlooks the threat to this nation's democratic norms posed by those engaging in lawlessness on Jan. 6...who attempted to subvert the lawful and peaceful process of certifying a free and fair election in order to impose an authoritarian leader upon this nation



attacking the left, antifa and blm as Nazi equivalents because they oppose the far right white supremacists who stormed and occupied the capitol, who actually adopt beliefs of, sound and look like Nazis is irony...
Abrignac
4 years ago

any people who break the law while protesting or otherwise exercising their 1st Amendment rights should be arrested, charged and tried...just as those who violently broke into and occupied the Capitol on Jan. 6....none of whom have been hanged, but are getting their due process...hanging is what the Jan 6 mad mob had in mind when they brought a gallows and a noose to the capitol and went looking for Pelosi and Pence...

but to compare this attack on the Dept. of the Interior with 1/6 is egregious conflation ...

this conveniently overlooks the threat to this nation's democratic norms posed by those engaging in lawlessness on Jan. 6...who attempted to subvert the lawful and peaceful process of certifying a free and fair election in order to impose an authoritarian leader upon this nation



attacking the left, antifa and blm as Nazi equivalents because they oppose the far right white supremacists who stormed and occupied the capitol, who actually adopt beliefs of, sound and look like Nazis is irony...

delta1 wrote:



Is there any evidence that shows that someone had intent to do that or did you reach deep inside your bowels and and pull that out to fit your narrative?
Brewha
4 years ago

Eager to call people traders (sp) and no mention of their civil rights being violated…..and the crowd yelling about diversity and equality as long as it’s one way.

ZRX1200 wrote:


Storm the capital. Fail to obey a law officers orders. Get shot.

What’s the biggie?
MACS
4 years ago

Eager to call people traders (sp) and no mention of their civil rights being violated…..and the crowd yelling about diversity and equality as long as it’s one way.

ZRX1200 wrote:



NBA is not very diverse. Neither is the NFL. Huh... I wonder why that is?

Oh, that's not the same... they say. Ain't it?
MACS
4 years ago

Is there any evidence that shows that someone had intent to do that or did you reach deep inside your bowels and and pull that out to fit your narrative?

Abrignac wrote:



Did you need to ask that question?
ZRX1200
4 years ago

Under the influence behind the wheel, fail to obey a law officers orders. Get choked.

What’s the biggie?

Brewha wrote:




Fixed it for you……I can do this all day bro.
Brewha
4 years ago

Fixed it for you……I can do this all day bro.

ZRX1200 wrote:


I can see where you would view the two events as exactly the same.

This must be why you so strongly speak out for BLM. Right?
ZRX1200
4 years ago
They are the same….abuse of power.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
Asset forfeiture
Administrative law
The “Patriot Act”
NSA
IRS
weaponizing federal agencies
The Federal Reserve
Escalation of force
Policing
Private property rights

I’ve been pretty damn consistent with not wanting centralized federal powers not enumerated in the constitution under any parties rule.

??? Well
Brewha
4 years ago
You make a fair a just point. The power is often abused.

Yet, in view of how the law would protect a liquor store robbery with lethal force, when one storms the Capital and is breaking down a barricaded door to get to the leadership, what is a law officer to do? Shoot to wound? A LEO only shoots to kill. As Anthony has explained to me.

ZRX1200
4 years ago
Yeah again it’s called escalation of force. And we’ve seen in the age of #defundthepolice that every time a cop kills someone it’s wrong, except here.

Did the cop fear for his life? If so he was in the wrong line of work.

Cops are actually trained to shoot until the threat is gone, not necessarily dead. But indeed they don’t shoot to wound….not exactly the same thing. And man it would be nice if citizens we’re given the same leeway in shootings.

Stores in SF are NOT ALLOWED to o ANYTHING if it’s under $1K (theft). I can’t imagine they can legally open carry, and I’m pretty sure it’s a “shall issue” state for concealed carry. So I’m kind of confused as to how the liquor store employee is supposed to even be able to defend himself with lethal force. The law does NOTHING to protect citizens or businesses….I’m not sure you know how this is working. The State of California has gone as far as having a handgun “roster” you’re only allowed to own certain firearms. You’re not allowed to carry ammo and firearm in the same part of the vehicle, and in SF I don’t think you’re allowed to carry a loaded firearm unless you have a concealed carry license (and again good luck with that unless you’re either a celebrity or a politician you know the people that can afford security….)

The only time lethal force is justified is when your life is in danger.

P USSIES shouldn’t be cops. Period. But they’re everywhere and they let you grab them when you’re rich and famous.
Abrignac
4 years ago

Yeah again it’s called escalation of force. And we’ve seen in the age of #defundthepolice that every time a cop kills someone it’s wrong, except here.

Did the cop fear for his life? If so he was in the wrong line of work.

Cops are actually trained to shoot until the threat is gone, not necessarily dead. But indeed they don’t shoot to wound….not exactly the same thing. And man it would be nice if citizens we’re given the same leeway in shootings.

Stores in SF are NOT ALLOWED to o ANYTHING if it’s under $1K (theft). I can’t imagine they can legally open carry, and I’m pretty sure it’s a “shall issue” state for concealed carry. So I’m kind of confused as to how the liquor store employee is supposed to even be able to defend himself with lethal force. The law does NOTHING to protect citizens or businesses….I’m not sure you know how this is working. The State of California has gone as far as having a handgun “roster” you’re only allowed to own certain firearms. You’re not allowed to carry ammo and firearm in the same part of the vehicle, and in SF I don’t think you’re allowed to carry a loaded firearm unless you have a concealed carry license (and again good luck with that unless you’re either a celebrity or a politician you know the people that can afford security….)

The only time lethal force is justified is when your life is in danger.

P USSIES shouldn’t be cops. Period. But they’re everywhere and they let you grab them when you’re rich and famous.

ZRX1200 wrote:



So if someone points a firearm at a LEO he should not be in fear that his life may be about to be taken? Any sane person would be in fear for their life. They last person that anyone should want as a commission LEO is someone who thinks he’s invincible.

LEO’s are in fact taught to shoot to kill. They are taught to shoot at center of mass to cause maximum damage to major internal organs. They are issued hollow point ammunition meant to cause maximum damage without over penetrating to prevent bullets from passing through the intended target and injuring a bystander.

On the other hand, I know of no place in the US where anyone is prohibited from defending himself.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
I don’t think you understand the context here, I was talking to Brewha about the CP officer that shot blind out of a window, nobody was pointing a gun at him, or a knife, or a brick.

They use hollow points? No way I had no idea! Without over penetrating? Huh, weird that Hornaday Critical Duty has more penetration to get through car windshield than regular Critical Defense. Some of this is semantics.

What do you call it when you disarm people?
ZRX1200
4 years ago
We’re you not trained to render first aid after a threat was ended and the suspect was secured?
Abrignac
4 years ago

I don’t think you understand the context here, I was talking to Brewha about the CP officer that shot blind out of a window, nobody was pointing a gun at him, or a knife, or a brick.

No really sure what your point is here.

They use hollow points? No way I had no idea! Without over penetrating? Huh, weird that Hornaday Critical Duty has more penetration to get through car windshield than regular Critical Defense. Some of this is semantics.

Just because it is named “Critical Duty” doesn’t mean it used as duty ammo by a LEO. According to the product verbiage it can penetrate bricks.

From the Hornady website, “ Designed to meet the needs of those who demand superior barrier penetration and prefer a full-size handgun for their personal protection. Critical Duty® is loaded with the tough Hornady® FlexLock® bullet that delivers "barrier blind" performance when shot through common urban barriers.”

This has liability written all over. No LEO is taught to shoot through any “common urban barrier.” Instead, they are taught they are responsible for ever round sent downrange. To shoot through a barrier invites waaaaaaay too many unknowns
.

What do you call it when you disarm people?

Disarming a person.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Abrignac
4 years ago

We’re you not trained to render first aid after a threat was ended and the suspect was secured?

ZRX1200 wrote:



Sure LEO’s are taught to render first aid. That starts once the threat is neutralized and the subject responsible for that threat is properly restrained; even if dead.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
You drinking?

If you’re not sure of the context then you did a lot of typing for no reason. And if you’re not sure what my point was then I know you have no idea what Brewha and I were discussing with eachother and (see previous sentence).
ZRX1200
4 years ago
“They don’t shoot to wound”

Smooth light
4 years ago
Too much RedTape, shoot to kill.

NINE
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