Burner02
4 years ago

Well the US I live in was founded on Slavery.

Brewha wrote:




Ah, a little 1619.

Brew, you do know that is bull sh*t?
frankj1
4 years ago

Huh... let's ignore that our constitution left room for amendments. And let's ignore the civil war fought to end slavery. And let's ignore that women can own land and vote. And any other number of things they made sure they got right.

Let's also ignore that the country was no different from most other nations at the time, but they saw the error of their ways and corrected the mistakes. Before many other countries bothered to do so.

Ignore all those things and you might have a case...

MACS wrote:


just to nit pick a bit...

the goal was to be better than other nations at the time. accepting sameness was and is unacceptable.

And as for leaving room for amendments to constantly keep improving and correcting, why stop now?
Never be satisfied.
Whistlebritches
4 years ago

Huh... let's ignore that our constitution left room for amendments. And let's ignore the civil war fought to end slavery. And let's ignore that women can own land and vote. And any other number of things they made sure they got right.

Let's also ignore that the country was no different from most other nations at the time, but they saw the error of their ways and corrected the mistakes. Before many other countries bothered to do so.

Ignore all those things and you might have a case...

MACS wrote:



Good points....ALL!!!
MACS
4 years ago

just to nit pick a bit...

the goal was to be better than other nations at the time. accepting sameness was and is unacceptable.

And as for leaving room for amendments to constantly keep improving and correcting, why stop now?
Never be satisfied.

frankj1 wrote:



We were better. And we got better.

What do we need to improve on, now? I mean... except for the current group of political elite that need to be flushed?

Term limits so we have no career politicians? All politicians must make their tax records 100% public while in office? Constitutional carry?
Whistlebritches
4 years ago

We were better. And we got better.

What do we need to improve on, now? I mean... except for the current group of political elite that need to be flushed?

Term limits so we have no career politicians? All politicians must make their tax records 100% public while in office? Constitutional carry?

MACS wrote:




Preach on Brother
Dg west deptford
4 years ago

Well the US I live in was founded on Slavery. And women not being able to own property or vote.

Ah, our Founding Fathers…..

Brewha wrote:



Bummer for you.
The US I live in was founded in Plymouth on the pilgrims faith & prayers followed by the puritans who saw the Great Awakening like Edward's, Whitefield & Wesley. Then came the declaration of Independence.

" I am well aware of the toil and blood and treasure that it will cost us to maintain this declaration, and support and defend these states. Yet through all the Gloom I can see rays of ravishing light and Glory. I can see that the end is worth more than all the means"
John Adams

"A city set upon a hill" was how John Winthrop the 1st governor of Massachusetts, put it.

Men like Bradford, Winthrop and Washington were our founders not the sin filled time they struggled through.
Our fore fathers have blazed the trail, pick up a candle & follow
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

All politicians must make their tax records 100% public while in office?

MACS wrote:




I was head nodding while reading this thread then got to this...why? It's not going to stop those in DC getting filthy rich off the backs of Americans.

I thought it was a stupid "Look at me!" attention whore idea when they started it. I applauded Trump for telling them to shove it sideways.
MACS
4 years ago
I dunno... so we can see where their money streams come from?

Most of them are filthy rich, and we don't pay them enough to be filthy rich so how did they get there? I mean, we know it's corruption... but it'd be nice to know who's paying them to screw the rest of us.
MACS
4 years ago
The democrats should be ashamed...

HockeyDad
4 years ago

Sorry Bro, I have not the White shame you are looking for.

But what would you know of white peoples shame?
As though there where such a thing.

Brewha wrote:



You have exactly the white shame I’m looking for. The US you grew up in was founded on slavery and you have done absolutely nothing to improve that and actually work to preserve it.

At four dozen, you get a 10% price break on the t-shirts.
Speyside2
4 years ago
^ You promised me there would be Whites Identifying As Black Nationalists shirts. I am crushed! You sir are no gentleman.
rfenst
4 years ago

I was head nodding while reading this thread then got to this...why? It's not going to stop those in DC getting filthy rich off the backs of Americans.

I thought it was a stupid "Look at me!" attention whore idea when they started it. I applauded Trump for telling them to shove it sideways.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Sorry, but IMO we the citizens/voters have the right to determine for ourselves whether a candidate could have a conflict of interest, most particularly our presidential candidates.
rfenst
4 years ago

I dunno... so we can see where their money streams come from?

Most of them are filthy rich, and we don't pay them enough to be filthy rich so how did they get there? I mean, we know it's corruption... but it'd be nice to know who's paying them to screw the rest of us.

MACS wrote:


+1
Krazeehorse
4 years ago
Conflicts of interest don't matter. Joe and Hunter are pretty open about their relations with China and Russia but life goes on.
Speyside2
4 years ago
Robert is referring to transparency.
Brewha
4 years ago

Bummer for you.
The US I live in was founded in Plymouth on the pilgrims faith & prayers followed by the puritans who saw the Great Awakening like Edward's, Whitefield & Wesley. Then came the declaration of Independence.

" I am well aware of the toil and blood and treasure that it will cost us to maintain this declaration, and support and defend these states. Yet through all the Gloom I can see rays of ravishing light and Glory. I can see that the end is worth more than all the means"
John Adams

"A city set upon a hill" was how John Winthrop the 1st governor of Massachusetts, put it.

Men like Bradford, Winthrop and Washington were our founders not the sin filled time they struggled through.
Our fore fathers have blazed the trail, pick up a candle & follow

Dg west deptford wrote:


Yes, well if we waited around for the pilgrims to build this country we would be speaking Spanish.


Another irony of this thread is that White Shaming doesn’t work in the first place. One of our defining characters is to be shameless. Personally I feel our white republican leaders excel at this (credit where credit is due).

But the icing on the white boy cake has to be whining about white shaming. Poor, poor white boys. It is to laugh.
montanajack
4 years ago
This movement to shame people based upon the color of their skin, and furthermore the actions of people eons ago is nothing short of misplaced anger brought on by one's own personal failure to succeed and thus looking to point the finger in an attempt to make an excuse for that failure. I have listened to the stories told by successful black people, successful Mexican people and so on and they have a common thread-never give up, work hard and overcome. The assertion that white people have privilege in today's society is as out of date as Jim Crow laws. There was a time not too long ago this was a fact , but our society has largely moved beyond that. When I hear people still claiming privilege across the board for a particular race I have to shake my head and wonder why they hadn't paid attention to historical facts. Is there racism and privilege here in America? Of course there is, but it is not singular. Racism exists and it comes from every culture/race towards other races and it will always be there. As far as privilege goes...it is no longer a white thing, it is a money thing now. If you are blue and have a lot of $ then you get the preferred table without waiting.
HockeyDad
4 years ago

^ You promised me there would be Whites Identifying As Black Nationalists shirts. I am crushed! You sir are no gentleman.

Speyside2 wrote:



We stock those too!

They just say “Berkeley” on the front.

Go Golden Bears!

Brewha
4 years ago

You have exactly the white shame I’m looking for. The US you grew up in was founded on slavery and you have done absolutely nothing to improve that and actually work to preserve it.

At four dozen, you get a 10% price break on the t-shirts.

HockeyDad wrote:


Dude, Whites don’t experience racial shame. It’s a unicorn.

But a no step on snek T would be cool.
Of course it send the wrong message - but what the hell. I’m free, white and over 21.
Brewha
4 years ago

This movement to shame people based upon the color of their skin, and furthermore the actions of people eons ago is nothing short of misplaced anger brought on by one's own personal failure to succeed and thus looking to point the finger in an attempt to make an excuse for that failure. I have listened to the stories told by successful black people, successful Mexican people and so on and they have a common thread-never give up, work hard and overcome. The assertion that white people have privilege in today's society is as out of date as Jim Crow laws. There was a time not too long ago this was a fact , but our society has largely moved beyond that. When I hear people still claiming privilege across the board for a particular race I have to shake my head and wonder why they hadn't paid attention to historical facts. Is there racism and privilege here in America? Of course there is, but it is not singular. Racism exists and it comes from every culture/race towards other races and it will always be there. As far as privilege goes...it is no longer a white thing, it is a money thing now. If you are blue and have a lot of $ then you get the preferred table without waiting.

montanajack wrote:


I think the few guy is trying to take away our white privilege.


Look Montana, welcome and all, but I live in Texas where white privilege is as much a guiding principal as football. (And that’s a god damn lot!)

And don’t go thinking people are going to listen because you have a cogent argument.
This is Cbid damn it….
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