Robby
23 years ago
He looked like a petulant child. Having a tantrum because he didn’t get things going the way he wanted them… He’s also never been one to let the truth stand in the way of his agenda. I for one would never consider supporting these people by buying a ticket for one of their movies, or renting one of their videos. They should absolutely have the right to express their opinions, regardless of how wacky they are. And we should have the right to boycott their products and companies who choose to use them as spokespeople.
xibbumbero
23 years ago
Because you don't like the prospect of war doesn't mean you don't support our troops nor does it make you less patriotic. Some people here seem to equate anti-war sentiment with being unpatriotic and non-support of our troops. This is AMERICA,where you can speak your mind,irrespective of other opinions. I thank God and the servicemen who have given the ultimate sacrifice to preserve our freedom. That being said,I for one feel that war is the last option. Whether this military action was our last option will remain to be seen. In the meanwhile,I also fully support our troops and pray for their safe return. X
Robby
23 years ago
Yeah, I could go down town to the Baptist church tha that M.L. King used to pastor and walk in with a white robe and pointy hood if I wanted to. It would be free speach, but it would still be dumb... This moore guy is a DUMB ba$tard... Supid is as stupid does sir...
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
X - Well said, I unknowingly echoed you on another post.

Anti-War does not necesarily mean Anti-Troops. For some it does, but the assumption is wrong.
Robby
23 years ago
(Dr. Evil voice "ON") Riiiiight (voice off). The point here is there should be a time and a place. Here you go, "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" Sure, he could fart the Iraqi national anthem, free speech and all of that. My reply would be, gee, you voice sounds different, but your breath smells the same... Bottom line, he embarrassed even those who oppose the war that I've spoken to.
tailgater
23 years ago
This is bull****.
"Free Speech" does not mean spouting Anti-American rhetoric on one of the biggest stages available. Certainly not in these hours of sacrifice.
Yes, I said "Anti American".
Because to suggest that our Commander in Chief is Fictitious, and to state that our mission is Fictitious, is 100% ANTI-American.

Abusing one of our most precious freedoms is not American.

This is a very black and white issue. It has nothing at all to do with whether or not I agree with his statement.

It has everything to do with misinterpreting what our forefathers intended. Mr Moore is quite capable of gaining media attention outside of the highly anticipated Oscars.
When our soldiers need support, comfort, hope,...LOVE the very most, he decides to put his worthless self into a postion to dismantle those important intangibles.
And when the enemy of our troops watch a translated clip, they will gain strength in their conviction.
Yes, Mr Moore has directly put our soldiers further into harms way. To suggest otherwise is naive.

That is NOT what Free Speech is intended for. And it is NOT what America was built upon.

Robby
23 years ago
BOMB MICHAEL MOORE!!
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
Sometimes I wonder if you're smoking cigars or something else gater!! Do you really think the Iraqi troops are going to see the Oscars?? If it's a big concern we can simply jam the signal anyway. And the loud and deserved boos as a response to Moore's comments shows more than any of the drivel he spoke.

Even if his speech was completely Anti-American, then it's still protected by the 1st amendment, no matter what you think.

You suggest that some people on this board are naïve... I agree!!
Robby
23 years ago
BOMB CWILHELMI!!
SteveS
23 years ago
In a thread I just created, I suggested sending him an e-mail in which you express your thoughts ...

In addtion to my thoughts and feelings, I plan to tell him that I and as many I can influence will boycott not only his current Oscar winning short, but any and all future works he is ever involved with ...

Oh, and I posted his e-mail address for your convenience ...
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
Bomb me with cigars, OK. Thanks...
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
Free Speech in action, go for it Steve...
SteveS
23 years ago
damn straight I'll go for it ...

I'd never heard of this guy before last night ... but I went up in flames while the words were still coming out of his mouth ... I will not attempt to offer even a censored version of what I shouted at the television as he spoke ... suffice it to say that MrsS became concerned that I would suffer either a coronary or a stroke from being as upset as I was ...

Then, today, when I found this yayhoos Website, I flamed all over again ... vitriolic hate absolutely flows from it ... this guy is an unspeakable gob of sh*t and IMO, should be made to go to Iraq and see first-hand what it is we're fighting against ... perhaps if he were to be entertained by Saddams son Uday in the same manner that Iraqi athletes who have failed to win the highest honors have been entertained, he might pick up a bit of appreciation for the United States of America and the freedoms he so gratuitously abused in his speech last night ... to say nothing of an appreciation for the lives and the blood that have been expended and CONTINUE to be expended so that Mr. Gob of Sh*t Moore can continue making his little films and excercise his "rights" ...
tailgater
23 years ago
Chris,
Do you purposely take the opposite opinion, or do you simply not understand anything you don't agree with?

Let me type this slowly for those of you who have trouble with logic...

Of course Iraqi soldiers didn't watch the Oscars. But they sure as hell can have access to a video clip of that **** Moore spewing anti-Bush rhetoric. And if even ONE Iraqi soldier gets a tiny bit more confidence in their conviction, and just ONE American Hero feels slightly less confident in his/her mission, then it is not only possible that a battle could be turned, but it is also likely that at least one additional American could get more seriously injured (or worse) than had Mr **** didn't open his pie-hole.

It's called "Cause and effect". And it's precisely why self-centered morons with personal agendas tend to speak out when they know they shouldn't.

So I repeat: Free Speech was never intended to promote Anti-American protests. But it does protect those who choose to ABUSE it.


SteveS
23 years ago
Well, said 'gater ... well said.

That is EXACTLY the way it is ...

why not write Michael Moore and tell him so ... [email protected]
Robby
23 years ago
Zackly, but some who don't approve of Bush, use their disapproval to dismiss almost ANY behavior regardless of how inappropriate it is... Something somewhere in my gut (perhaps a turd?) is telling me if Gore were in the White House, their position would be slightly modified... I think much of the reaction (Michael Moron and other's who are supporting his so called "free speech") are really subconsciously attacking Bush and this is a convenient avenue to do so. Shockingly inappropriate...
SteveS
23 years ago
nothing subconcious about it ...

Michael Moore is blatantly anti-Bush .... visit his Website and you'll see for yourself ...with a couple of links to his work and the announcement of his Oscar, it's nothing but anti-administration bullsh*t ... 90% of his site overflows with it ...

I don't care whether you're a Democrate, a Republican, or a Whig ... the man is a dangerous extremist who's offering sympathy and encouragement to our enemy in wartime ... and by definition, he is pure plain and simple, guilty of treason ... what he did is not the excercise of free speech but an ABUSE of it ...
Charlie
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23 years ago
Well stated Steve. Michael Moore is a fat blob of puss and I have never liked him and now I hate him!

Let's send many emails to this creep.

Charlie
choner
23 years ago
Michael Moore is just doing what the First Amendment allows him to do. You don't have to agree with his opinions, but they are his opinions. He gets 30 seconds to say whatever he wants, and if he chooses to protest the war, so be it. If I felt strongly about something, I would do the same. If I won an Oscar, I would of showed my support for my President and My troops. But I didn't win an Oscar and Michael Moore did. He was not anti-American or Anti-troops, he was anti-Bush and Anti-War.
The First Amendment is so important in our country, its one important thread that holds this beautiful nation together. Our nation was built on freedom of expression. I hope I never see the day when the First Amendment is abolished.

Strength to our troops!
choner
donutboy2000
23 years ago
Sedition Act, 1918
From The United States Statutes at Large, V. 40. (April 1917-March 1919). Washington: Government Printing Office, 1919. 553-554.

Sec. 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements, or say or do anything except by way of bona fide and not disloyal advice to an investor or investors, with intent to obstruct the sale by the United States of bonds or other securities of the United States or the making of loans by or to the United States, and whoever when the United States is at war, shall willfully cause or attempt to cause, or incite or attempt to incite, insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct or attempt to obstruct the recruiting or enlistment services of the United States, and whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States into contempt, scorn, contumely, or disrepute, or shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any language intended to incite, provoke, or encourage resistance to the United States, or to promote the cause of its enemies, or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully by utterance, writing, printing, publication, or language spoken, urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production in this country of any thing or things, product or products, necessary or essential to the prosecution of the war in which the United States may be engaged, with intent by such curtailment to cripple or hinder the United States in the prosecution of war, and whoever shall willfully advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated, and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or the imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both: Provided, That any employee or official of the United States Government who commits any disloyal act or utters any unpatriotic or disloyal language, or who, in an abusive and violent manner criticizes the Army or Navy or the flag of the United States shall be at once dismissed from the service. . . .

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