Robby
23 years ago
hang on, let me look again, sober now...
Robby
23 years ago
Ok, Regan was 80 to 88, right? What happens to the graph in 1980?
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
it starts to decline in 86 which was Reagan, overall during his tenure spending was up, but the decline started under him and continued for 12 years. And the first increase after this actually happened under Clinton.
Robby
23 years ago
When the republicans took control of congress?
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
"""When the republicans took control of congress? """

That would be 1995. (7 years after Reagan left office.)




Robby
23 years ago
You're right Spiney, Democrates traditionally support the Military and fund it as opposed the the Republicans who traditionally do not support the miliary. Right? That's your point isn't it? Does the graph attach the other factors? the revenues, the deficit, the general/overall budget? Do you really believe that the Dem's (in general) support the military? And the Repub's (in general) do not? Do you really believe this? Because I do not, if you and the other dems would like to go to war over it, I'll research it, and you can too and we'll see who wins, for say 20 premo sticks? Go ahead, take the dare, come on, if you've got a ba!! on your a$$, go for it. Or do you just prefer to sit back and take pot shots? *(retorical question)
Robby
23 years ago
Democrats like you are good and decent people and republicans are evil and simply try to destroy the environment, kill people by depriving them of basic human rights and services, and their sole reason for being is to try to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Yeah, good thing there are democrats who's sole selfless existence is the betterment of their fellow man and peace and love to all mankind... Why do republicans hate so many people so much? Thank God for the democrats! Chairman Mao was a democrat, wasn’t he? After all, he was for the common man? He didn’t believe in wealth? He believed in redistribution? And he certainly supported the military? So he was a good democrat, right?

Is it Friday yet? 🙂 maybe…
eighteyedspy
23 years ago
"There are three things in life that I have learned to never discuss with people. They are politics, religion and the Great Pumpkin!"
Linus


from "The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown"

;)
Robby
23 years ago
Yeah, the Misc board would be a lot less fun though... I personally enjoy the banter. I hope others aren't seriously offended... What is life without spice?
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
"""You're right Spiney,"""

More often then not. (Glad to see that your catching on.)

"""Democrates traditionally support the Military and fund it as opposed the the Republicans who traditionally do not support the miliary. Right?"""

Wrong. (Maybe your not catching on after all.)

"""That's your point isn't it? """

Nope. (1 for 3.)

"""Does the graph attach the other factors? the revenues, the deficit, the general/overall budget? """

No. Perhaps this will be of help to you.
http://www.planemath.com/activities/pmenterprises/airfoils/airfoils30help.html 

"""Do you really believe that the Dem's (in general) support the military?"""

Yes. (I base that contention on the fact that we allways seam to have one after every Democratic adminastration.)

"""And the Repub's (in general) do not?"""

No. We've had a military after their admins as well.

"""Do you really believe this?"""

Nope. (remember what I said about making assumptions about me?)

"""Because I do not, """

Suit yourself.

"""if you and the other dems would like to go to war over it, I'll research it, and you can too and we'll see who wins, for say 20 premo sticks? Go ahead, take the dare, come on, if you've got a ba!! on your a$$, go for it. Or do you just prefer to sit back and take pot shots?*(retorical question) """

Not much point in answering "Rhetorical" questions.

"""Democrats like you are good and decent people and republicans are evil and simply try to destroy the environment, kill people by depriving them of basic human rights and services, and their sole reason for being is to try to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Yeah, good thing there are democrats who's sole selfless existence is the betterment of their fellow man and peace and love to all mankind... Why do republicans hate so many people so much? Thank God for the democrats! Chairman Mao was a democrat, wasn’t he? After all, he was for the common man? He didn’t believe in wealth? He believed in redistribution? And he certainly supported the military? So he was a good democrat, right?"""

[aplause] A lovely speach, still those would be your words and not mine.

"""Is it Friday yet? 🙂 maybe… """

Depends on whose calendar you referance.
}:->
http://astro.nmsu.edu/~lhuber/leaphist.html 

Now, back to the debate.......(and my words.)

Clinton along with Bush sr. and Reagan (and their respective congresses) cut back on military spending because the cold war was over. (Credit for that goes to both the inept Soviet Politburo and Reagan who simply outspent them.) There was no need for a standing army of that size and configuration.
It was generally accepted that the type of conflict we were likely to face (according to the various think tanks and strategist of the time), would be far differant from the ones we had faced in the past. I give credit to all three adminastrations for moving financial resources to other areas at the same time that they invested in R & D on weapons systems that would be better suited to these new conflicts. (The ROV's and JDAM's we have today had their programs started back then.)
Clinton didn't "gut" the military, he simply continued with what Reagan/Bush had started. That was retooling the military to better serve the needs of the United States. Jobs become obsolete, weapons systems become obsolete, bases become obsolete. Certainly the change was diffacult for many in the military. People generally don't like major changes in their lives.
I realize that it's a burning passion of yours to demonize Clinton but the facts in this case tell a differant tale
Robby
23 years ago
Ahhh, so there were no shortages in the Clinton military? No Ammo shortages? No broken down ships and planes in need of spare parts? He didn't launch every cruise missile we had because he didn't want to commit to any real strategy which might involve an exchange of fire?

Maybe we need perspective from some of the military folks here. I haven't served, and I'd be willing to bet more than a few bux you haven't either... I'm curious as to what Hog or Tar would think on this subject? Or our other military vets. I could be off base. Any recent or current vets with perspective here?

And if you think I fixate on demonizing Clinton by pointing out his debacles, perhaps you’re a Clinton apologist? Fixated on overlooking and ignoring anything and everything?

Very interested in perspective from recent or current vets on this subject.
Spiny Norman
23 years ago
"""ahhh, so there were no shortages in the Clinton military? No Ammo shortages? No broken down ships and planes in need of spare parts?"""

Why buy bullets your not likely to use in the near future or parts for ships and planes your likely to replace? The military of today appears pretty @%&# happy with all the high tech weapons the've been using in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many feel that that very same technology saved a lot of our soldier's lives. I guess you would prefer that they slug it out with the hard way. (And I thought you were for our troops.)
Now I ask you, Can you name a single instance where a US serviceman/woman was killed or wounded due to a shortage of bullets during the Clinton adminastration?

"""He didn't launch every cruise missile we had because he didn't want to commit to any real strategy which might involve an exchange of fire? """"

Why put servicemen in harms way why either diplomacy or a remote shot across the bow may suffice?

"""Maybe we need perspective from some of the military folks here."""

Anecdotal evidence won't cut it as facts.

"""I haven't served, and I'd be willing to bet more than a few bux you haven't either.."""

True, and neither fact has any bearing on the debate at hand.

"""I'm curious as to what Hog or Tar would think on this subject? Or our other military vets. I could be off base. Any recent or current vets with perspective here? """

With all due respect to Both Tar and Hog, it's already pretty clear what their general stance is on Clinton. It takes unbiased facts to sway my opinion.

"""And if you think I fixate on demonizing Clinton by pointing out his debacles, perhaps you’re a Clinton apologist? Fixated on overlooking and ignoring anything and everything?"""

Nope, just looking at the facts with an open mind. (Are you an apologist for Reagan and Bush? They too cut the military budget.)

"""Very interested in perspective from recent or current vets on this subject. """

Or anyone with an unbiased view on the subject.

Robby
23 years ago
“”””””””””””Or anyone with an unbiased view on the subject.“”””””””””””
Interesting, I was looking for Military perspective since it would seem to be unique and well qualified on this issue.

Sounds like you may fear the opinions of our brothers of the leaf in uniform? Now why would that be? What perspective might they have that could possible cause you any concern? Surely if they're smart, and they've witnessed first hand what the different administrations have done for/to the military, they will most certainly agree with you, right? Relax! It's in the bag! Looking for some military perspective...
justforfun
23 years ago
Yeeouwch. This thread seems to have taken a huge turn mid 4/10 --- not a left, nor a right, but rather, a WRONG turn.
Robby
23 years ago
heh, are you in the service or a recent vet fun? Looking for perspective from same.
Sonny_LSU
23 years ago
I think Spiney should run for President......golly, he's so smart.

Spiney, you make my butt itch.
Sonny_LSU
23 years ago
****I think Spiney should run for President......golly, he's so smart.****

No, he really isn't.

****Spiney, you make my butt itch.****

No, he really doesn't, because he does not matter.
Robby
23 years ago
""""""""""****I think Spiney should run for President......golly, he's so smart.****

No, he really isn't. """"""""""****

hehehe

""""""""""********Spiney, you make my butt itch.****

No, he really doesn't, because he does not matter. """"""""""****

HEHEHEHEHE!!!!

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