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teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted:
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Homie great to see you my friend.
drywalldog Offline
#102 Posted:
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So if I read that long post correctly, if the middle class isnt working for a living wage the whole ponzi scheme collapes, unless the uber rich want to pay all the taxes?
Homebrew Offline
#103 Posted:
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Hey TeeDub,
I hope all is well, with you and yours.

Pretty Much Drywalldog. With the middle class shrinking, and the poor not having the money, the wealthy, and corporations, are the only ones left to tax. The Republicans don't have the will to raise taxes, and they only are willing to cut spending on Medicare, and Social Security, that is no longer financially viable, because they joined in the raiding of the SS trustfund, and are not willing to pay it back. And since they only want to cut programs that help the poor, there is no way that they will not continue to borrow to fund corporate welfare, military spending, and of course additional tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Of course, they haven't named any specifics on their spending, or taxation plans, unless you count the Ryan budget, which is political suicide, to enact. The Ryan plan sounds pretty good, until the people realize what those cuts mean to their personal bottom line.

My whole argument, is nonpartisan in nature, but it all ties back into the loss of the middle class. It is interesting to me, that corporations, outsourced millions of middle class jobs, and in effect, killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Now that the worlds largest, consumer base, has been decimated, who is going to buy their products. I mean when they are paying the chinese, to build consumer electronics, that the workers themselves can not afford. And all the jobs that are being created in the US, with the exception of a few energy sector jobs, are minimum wage. Who is left to buy their consumer electronics, but the wealthy. And there are just so many of the wealthy to go around. It turns the corporate culture, into a circular firing squad, except for government money, which is being borrowed, until the big default.

Later.
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
bloody spaniard Offline
#104 Posted:
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Homebrew, I am saddened by your two posts because they remind me of how far we've fallen.

I think that there's still a chance we can rebound by possibly lightening the tax load & eliminating bureaucratic hurdles on small business but the jury's out on that actually helping. The days of Stockman's trickle down economics were more of a boon to the corporations than they were to the small tricklee.
Homebrew Offline
#105 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Homebrew, I am saddened by your two posts because they remind me of how far we've fallen.

I think that there's still a chance we can rebound by possibly lightening the tax load & eliminating bureaucratic hurdles on small business but the jury's out on that actually helping. The days of Stockman's trickle down economics were more of a boon to the corporations than they were to the small tricklee.


Sorry,
but I am pretty sure, that is way too little too late, and without middle class customers, how would that help the small business. In my opinion, the only way to help, which would have the corporate leaders, and the wealthy, screaming like an 18 year old Sandusky cellmate, is through the abolishing of all free trade agreements, and enacting hefty tariffs. But even that, is too little too late.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
ZRX1200 Offline
#106 Posted:
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^ well I'm glad to at least see ya posting Dave.


I will always believe America is salvageable. It has to be for the worlds sake. Medicare and SS are both socialist in nature to me but at least the folks receiving benefits are/have paid into it. I think people have to be realistic about a ponzy scheme though. No matter how well intentioned you creat a middle man.

Modern beurocracy is nothing more than a facist centralized middleman. I have no faith in a "party" to be my protection anymore (DWD this is usually my only disagreement with you). A middle man who's operational budget is provided by its sheep and who's salaries are paid by pure profiteers.

One issue votes and protected income sources are keeping the country divided and we need to quit ankle grabbing.

Homebrew Offline
#107 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ well I'm glad to at least see ya posting Dave.


I will always believe America is salvageable. It has to be for the worlds sake. Medicare and SS are both socialist in nature to me but at least the folks receiving benefits are/have paid into it. I think people have to be realistic about a ponzy scheme though. No matter how well intentioned you creat a middle man.

Modern beurocracy is nothing more than a facist centralized middleman. I have no faith in a "party" to be my protection anymore (DWD this is usually my only disagreement with you). A middle man who's operational budget is provided by its sheep and who's salaries are paid by pure profiteers.

One issue votes and protected income sources are keeping the country divided and we need to quit ankle grabbing.


Here is my problem with what is going on with Ryans' plan for SS. I have paid in for over 35 years, and I have not gotten anything in return. If he has his way, then they will keep pushing back the retirement age, and I will not get anything, of what I have put in. Here is the second part. The SS trust fund has been raided, by both parties, to pay for things it was never intended for. These stolen monies, will never be paid back, and they should be, with interest. Giving tax breaks, and then borrowing more money and throwing it down a rat hole, like both parties have done, is not going to replace the money stolen by both parties. So instead, I get screwed.

Typical, of both parties.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
P.S. I would like to post more, but with driving 70 hours a week, and then the work I have to do to keep my house from falling down around my ears, there isn't much leisure time left. Just the occasional Sunday. By the way, when I bought this house, it was a fixer upper, and I am just now, 15 years later, getting around to remodeling.
bloody spaniard Offline
#108 Posted:
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Quick question before I run... how's the barbecue business, Dave? Hope you're doing fine.
Homebrew Offline
#109 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Quick question before I run... how's the barbecue business, Dave? Hope you're doing fine.

Had to close last summer, and went to driving the truck. While it was making ends meet, I wasn't making enough money, to justify the hours worked. I still miss doing it, but I really needed to fix this house up, and the money wasn't there, in the BBQ business.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
wheelrite Offline
#110 Posted:
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Homebrew wrote:
Had to close last summer, and went to driving the truck. While it was making ends meet, I wasn't making enough money, to justify the hours worked. I still miss doing it, but I really needed to fix this house up, and the money wasn't there, in the BBQ business.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)


Best of wishes to ya !
rfenst Offline
#111 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Best of wishes to ya !


+1
Same girlfriend as the one whose sister you used to date?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
If people don't factor who the VP candidate is, then why is there such a big deal made about it?


I do think a good or bad VP candidate can influence a vote, particularly in a close/toss-up state- when the candidate is revered within that state.

I also think that a VP candidate can hurt a ticket. Choosing Sarah Palin was one an important factors in my decision not to vote for the old guy with gray hair.

Rubio would help carry Florida. Jeb Bush would too. These are just a couple examples from Florida, which is considered one of the top few must win states.

Pretty much every state probably has one potential VP candidate who could change the vote in that state- albeit not always enough to carry that state.



Pretty funny you didn't mention Plugs O'Biden...out of all the people you did mention...they mop the floor with him in every category imaginable. Then again there will be people that will vote for the Kenyan King again because they can't help themselves.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#113 Posted:
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drywalldog wrote:
So if I read that long post correctly, if the middle class isnt working for a living wage the whole ponzi scheme collapes, unless the uber rich want to pay all the taxes?



You can lead a horse to water....


horse
Buckwheat Offline
#114 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Not really....I was playing for the other team. I even had an invite to one of Reagan's inaugural balls.


The left one or the right one?
DrafterX Offline
#115 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
The left one or the right one?


the inaugural one.... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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The Paul Ryan Record – Not as Fiscally Conservative as You Think By Marcus Tully - August 11, 2012 at 8:57 AM Filed under Bailout , Debt & Spending , Economy , Elections , Presidential

With the selection of Paul Ryan as Mitt Romney’s running mate in the 2012 election, Romney is hoping to strengthen his credentials as a budget cutting “deficit hawk” through association with Ryan’s famous budget plan. Given the other choices which Romney was considering this is probably a good overall choice. As Republican Liberty Caucus Chairman Dave Nalle said in response to the announcement:

“While Paul Ryan is by no means the most exciting or creative choice for a running mate, his selection does suggest that there would be an emphasis on budget cutting in a Romney/Ryan administration. Using the Ryan plan as a starting point and with the addition of deeper cuts and more significant reforms to entitlements, Republicans controlling both houses of Congress and the Presidency might be able to pull the country back from the brink of the fiscal abyss.”

The problem is that Ryan’s reputation as a fiscal conservative may not have much substance to it and his positions on other key issues are at the very least worrisome. He has received a great deal of press for a budget plan which does include some cuts and restructuring of medicare, but despite fearmongering from the left, the cuts are far too small and the reforms too limited to really pull us back from the edge of the abyss of debt which faces the nation.

The Ryan plan might be a good starting point if it was augmented with more substantial spending reductions and more comprehensive entitlement reform, but that would require a very proactive and fiscally conservative Congress. By itself it is just not sufficient. It takes a decade to balance the budget and potentially 40 years to deal with the debt, by which time there may be no economy left to save.

In addition, Ryan’s record on spending and other budgetary issues gives little hope that he is terribly serious about promoting limited government. In 2010 the Republican Liberty Caucus of Wisconsin published an analysis of his record and the report is not encouraging. I am reprinting it here in its entirety for those who are concerned about Ryan’s real credentials as a fiscal conservative.

Increasingly our Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan has become a national media darling. Representative Ryan is consistently being promoted on social media networks and by the Republican Party of Wisconsin and the nationwide “free market” group Americans for Prosperity.The fact of the matter is that Congressman Ryan voted with George W. Bush 94% of the time. That’s why Ryan’s 2007 Republican Liberty Caucus Liberty Indexscore,which ranks members of Congress on their voting record from a constitutional perspective,was 91% on economic issues but only 56% on social issues. In 2006,his score on the Liberty Indexwas 66% on economic issues and 67% on social issues. He has scored better on the Liberty Index; his 2008 score,for example,was 88 both on social and economic issues —an impressive score.It appears that when Paul Ryan’s party is doing the spending,raising debt limits,and acting unconstitutionally… Ryan goes with the flow.

Congressman Ryan’s actual record leaves much to be desired.

The issue Ryan is most known for is his interest in cutting the deficit and balancing the budget.

But why did the Congressman vote to bail out the auto industry, to pass the Medicare package to the tune of $400 billion, and to nationalize education via No Child Left Behind?

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli -Voted YES on TARP (2008) -Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008) -Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008) -Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs -Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003) -Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006) -Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008) -Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties -Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005) -Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005) -Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad -Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002) -Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003) -Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006) -Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

According to Michelle Malkin in 2009, “[Paul Ryan] gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank-Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede. Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: ‘He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don’t see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let him get away with it’.”

Congressman Ryan: if you don’t like debt, stop voting for debt.

Ryan’s record of fiscal irresponsibility has continued beyond 2010 when this article was written. He has since voted to raise the debt ceiling multiple times and approved ongoing extensions of military spending on unnecessary foreign wars. To be fair his record on fiscal issues has become increasingly mixed. He has voted against foreign aid, farm subsidies and some other specific spending increases as well.

Possibly of even greater concern is Ryan’s ongoing record of absolute irresponsibility in the area of civil liberties. Since 2010 Ryan has been on the wrong side of almost every important vote involving basic Constitutionally protected rights. He voted to extend the PATRIOT Act, for CISPA, for DOMA, for the NDAA (three times), to expand the Department of Homeland Security, to extend troop commitments in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and to give the President the power to appoint department heads without Senatorial approval. At a time when more and more Republicans are waking up to the threat of expanded government power to operate without observing traditional limits on their police power these votes are a major concern.

TARP, bailouts, entitlement expansion, endless military spending and bigger, more intrusive and less constitutional government. Is the Ryan record an example of the kind of policies a financially imperiled nation needs and which grassroots Republicans are demanding? Ryan is probably a gesture in the right direction, but Liberty Republicans should be concerned that the gesture is more symbol than substance and demand a clear and aggressive fiscal plan from the Romney campaign.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
the inaugural one.... Mellow



Well I'm ever upper-class high society
God's gift to ballroom notoriety
And I always fill my ballroom
The event is never small
The social pages say I've got
The biggest balls of all
bloody spaniard Offline
#118 Posted:
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Good ole AC/DC. I remember that album with the GOOD lead singer.



No need to be concerned, Z. Romney/Ryan will not be elected.
Your guy, on the other hand, will live to run again and again and again...ThumpUp
Papachristou Offline
#119 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:

Still won't vote for Obama but likely will not vote for Romney either. Not sure yet.


huh?
rfenst Offline
#120 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Pretty funny you didn't mention Plugs O'Biden...out of all the people you did mention...they mop the floor with him in every category imaginable. Then again there will be people that will vote for the Kenyan King again because they can't help themselves.


So, do you agree that the selection of a VP candidate can influence the vote?
How about that Rubio and Marco could sway some Florida votes to the Romney ticket?
teedubbya Offline
#121 Posted:
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Papa what part is complicated?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#122 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So, do you agree that the selection of a VP candidate can influence the vote?
How about that Rubio and Marco could sway some Florida votes to the Romney ticket?


http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/13/biden-campaigns-before-a-crowd-of-660-in-north-carolina/


No...I don't. It's window dressing...or if done right...a natural progression within a party...a sheer vote of confidence in Leadership.

The last 3 President's were abject failures in that department!


In some cases they doomed a ticket...Perot especially comes to mind.

The VP is basically someone to attend funerals...run the House...and God forbid...actually sit in for a fallen President.

I liked Rubio as a candidate for POTUSA...having him potentially sit for 8 years behind Romney would only make him more viable but at this time...I agree with the Ryan pick.

With this elecion it comes down to 2 things...The candy is coming out of the babies mouthes or Round II of the Bailouts/Buyouts. Take your pick. One will HAVE to happen...sooner is better than later.

Ryan will be able to campaign at an angle that nobody else will...where's your budget Mr. President? Here's mine. Let the House vote up or down on it and quit holding American's hostage with gridlock and nonsense like the drilling moratorium...bailouts...more wars...OwedumbaCare and a host of other issues that the current clownshoes cannot and will not address!
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted:
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Vp choice can and does influence elections and these things are getting so close it doesn't take much to tip the scale.
teedubbya Offline
#124 Posted:
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I may not vote for Romney because of Ryan. I've always thought he was a knee jerk reaction kind of guy who overreacts and over reaches.

I was solidly in the Romney camp until this choice. Now I'm not sure. There are more like me.
HockeyDad Offline
#125 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I may not vote for Romney because of Ryan. I've always thought he was a knee jerk reaction kind of guy who overreacts and over reaches.

I was solidly in the Romney camp until this choice. Now I'm not sure. There are more like me.




Thank God you finally found your excuse to run back to the Democrats again! Sarcasm
bloody spaniard Offline
#126 Posted:
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(too funny)
That boy's going to rip his leotard on the balance beam if he's not careful doing his twirly banner routine.
wheelrite Offline
#127 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
(too funny)
That boy's going to rip his leotard on the balance beam if he's not careful doing his twirly banner routine.


he's a poser..
jetblasted Offline
#128 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Thank God you finally found your excuse to run back to the Democrats again! Sarcasm



Sarcasm ??
gringococolo Offline
#129 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I may not vote for Romney because of Ryan. I've always thought he was a knee jerk reaction kind of guy who overreacts and over reaches.

I was solidly in the Romney camp until this choice. Now I'm not sure. There are more like me.




OMG. Your white guilt is worse than any of the lefties on this board. Did an ancillary search on ancestry.com reveal some slave owners in your past or something?

Really dude?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#130 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
OMG. Your white guilt is worse than any of the lefties on this board. Did an ancillary search on ancestry.com reveal some slave owners in your past or something?

Really dude?



Nobody told him the Kenyan King's mom was white...he's ALL IN!
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted:
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LOL. Nothing could bring me to vote for Obama. He's almost as bad as Bush was.


That doesn't mean I have to vote for Romney though..... unless I need yall's permission.



Yall have minds like a steal trap. It is refreshing to be back to the if you don't vote like me you are a democrat model again though..... I was afraid it would subside. And HD you are an effin instigator.... just like the french to stir the nest then throw their hands up and watch... (I'm talking war not sex...wouldn't know about that)
teedubbya Offline
#132 Posted:
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I don't like Ryan at all though.
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
OMG. Your white guilt is worse than any of the lefties on this board. Did an ancillary search on ancestry.com reveal some slave owners in your past or something?

Really dude?


I hope you get waterboarded with key lime water
HockeyDad Offline
#134 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
And HD you are an effin instigator.... just like the french to stir the nest then throw their hands up and watch...



Yeah....what's your point!?

Vive le France!
tailgater Offline
#135 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I may not vote for Romney because of Ryan. I've always thought he was a knee jerk reaction kind of guy who overreacts and over reaches.

I was solidly in the Romney camp until this choice. Now I'm not sure. There are more like me.


Not voting for a candidate because of his VP choice is akin to not going to a decent restaurant because they changed out the brand urinal cakes.

What has Biden done these past three years that make a difference to Obama's performance?

Romney was going to approach this election with a plan.
ANY plan.
So he chose a guy who puts his money where his mouth is. No false promises. No vague generalities. An actual plan that may not be perfect but is a good place to start in order to get things back on track.

Don't be pulled in by all the rhetoric. Granny isn't going to be ignored. Puppies won't be killed. Hell, they may even pardon Obama for committing unspeakable crimes against our economy.
teedubbya Offline
#136 Posted:
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Cheney certainly influenced Bush and I beleive Ryan is much too energetic of a politician to just sit down and shut up. it's interesting that folks are ok with the POP a VP choice brings in but seem to downplay the downside. I asume Romney picked him for a reason, if not he should have just gone with carrot top or somethin. You even said he picked him for a reason.... so we should treat him like a urinal cake on some things and beleive he was picked for the things we like. Seems convienient to me.

The VP position is different in every admin. Reagan didn't really even like Bush and Bush didn't have much say (although it was a springboard to the Presidency.) Cheney certainly was an active VP. Gore not as much but again it alost sprung him into the Presidency.

I really dislike Ryan and am afraid he would be cheney like on domestic affairs. Can't really tell right now but it is a possibility. It may also spring him onto the main stage later which I do not want. And in the event Romneys hair die has lead in it we could inherit him as the prez.

So the thread that starts all excited about Ryan as a choice seemed an appropriate place to post about not being excited about him as a choice.

I can't vote for Obama. I'm not all that thrilled about Romney but could plug my nose and vote for him. I really dislike Ryan, and have for quite awhile. He is no Palin in that I find him more credible than her, I just don't like him. But don't get pulled in by his rhetoric. Really look at him.
bloody spaniard Offline
#137 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
...
I can't vote for Obama. I'm not all that thrilled about Romney but could plug my nose and vote for him. I really dislike Ryan. He is no Palin in that I find him more credible than her, I just don't like him.




Put your personal feelings aside & vote for the best interest of this country, ya selfish prick.

Beer
teedubbya Offline
#138 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Put your personal feelings aside & vote for the best interest of this country, ya selfish prick.

Beer

\

LOL by don't like him I mean his ideas and politics. I'm sure he would make a great bowling partner.
teedubbya Offline
#139 Posted:
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And yall are helping me decide not to vote for Romney/Ryan.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#140 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
LOL. Nothing could bring me to vote for Obama. He's almost as bad as Bush was.



Almost????


I think he's actually worse.


W NEVER went to the American people and stated HOPE & CHANGE.


Maybe Hope...but never, ever Change...and the 2 together? WTF was he thinking???

Spike Lee on Obama’s First Term: ‘Expectations Were Way Too High’

Lee is doing a little election-season expectation management on behalf of President Obama. Lee came to the president’s defense in an interview with CNN’s Don Lemon, arguing that the hopes for Obama during his first term couldn’t have been higher.


He was the savior – Black Jesus,” said the Brooklyn-raised filmmaker, who doesn’t shy away from politically charged material in his own efforts, onscreen and off. “And … look, I don’t care who it was,” Lee continued. “Expectations were, I think, way too high.”

Lee, who’s currently promoting both the president's cause and his own latest film, “Red Hook Summer,” told Lemon he believes Obama has faced a considerable political obstacle during his first term in the form of a hostile Congress out to block his every move. “We’re blocking, and every breath we take we’re gonna do what we can [so] that you don’t get a second term,” said Lee, channeling Obama’s opposition. “And if it hurts America in the process, tough business.”

Also read: Hollywood’s New Status Symbol: Surrogate for Obama 2012

But, he said, although the president’s “not perfect,” he’s still got Lee’s vote this November. “I’m gonna do what I can to help,” Lee told Lemon.

That helpful impulse has already led Lee to host a fund-raiser at his Manhattan home on Jan. 20, where the president's supporters raised more than a million dollars.

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/spike-lee-obama-s-first-term-expectations-were-way-too-high-51626




There were NO expectations put on W...insert your excuses for Owedumba now though!
teedubbya Offline
#141 Posted:
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Almost. Bush and Carter are tied for 1-2 n my book. But like track and field the difference between first and third is minute.

But it still is interesting to me anyone could see much of a gap between any of the three.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#142 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Almost. Bush and Carter are tied for 1-2 n my book. But like track and field the difference between first and third is minute.

But it still is interesting to me anyone could see much of a gap between any of the three.


Well, then the DNC is where YOU wanna be...they're trotting out Carter for this one...that way America can gaze upon the worst President's in one location!!!!!

Get your seats now...it's not going to sell out...there's talk about actually GIVING away seats just to fill the damn place up...but HE'S your boy!
teedubbya Offline
#143 Posted:
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The DNC is not where I want to be. My biggest problem with the RNC is I used to see a gap (sanity gap) between the DNC and RNC. the D's were the crazy effers and though the Rs were not perfect they didn't have the wacko factor. Those days seem to be gone.

The Rs are still better, but the gap has closed. Unfortunately instead of the Ds closing the gap and catching up to the Rs, the Rs have gone backwards. Lowest common denominator outrage!
teedubbya Offline
#144 Posted:
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I'll vote mostly R accross the board this round but will likely vote third party for Prez... largely because of Ryan (coupled with lukewarm support of Romney in the first place).
DrMaddVibe Offline
#145 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
The DNC is not where I want to be. My biggest problem with the RNC is I used to see a gap (sanity gap) between the DNC and RNC. the D's were the crazy effers and though the Rs were not perfect they didn't have the wacko factor. Those days seem to be gone.

The Rs are still better, but the gap has closed. Unfortunately instead of the Ds closing the gap and catching up to the Rs, the Rs have gone backwards. Lowest common denominator outrage!



Yes...let the Apology Tour begin!
teedubbya Offline
#146 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
I'm sorry.
gringococolo Offline
#147 Posted:
Joined: 02-04-2006
Posts: 4,626
teedubbya wrote:
I hope you get waterboarded with key lime water


Drool
bloody spaniard Offline
#148 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
teedubbya wrote:
I'll vote mostly R accross the board this round but will likely vote third party for Prez... largely because of Ryan (coupled with lukewarm support of Romney in the first place).



I understand. But when you cast your vote for Gary or Ron stand straight with chest out in pride for the next four years knowing that you and the soccer moms were the cannon fodder that helped Obama to decimate this country.

Of course we can only conjecture what might have been with Romney/Ryan. Remember, candidates have been known to surprise their constituency after being selected, of course, not always for the better- Souter comes to mind (a supposed conservative judge per Sununu) among others... and then there's Dubya E. Newman Jr.(R).

On a positive note, you'll have tons of material over the next 4 years but alas, a smaller cbid audience as the middle class shrinks & many are forced to sell their PCs.
teedubbya Offline
#149 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Tis a close enough election that I could just as easily vote what you wrote and substitute Romney for Obama. It's also an excuse to vote status quo 2 party system.

I never much bought into the if you vote for XXXX you are really voting for YYYY mentality. No I'm voting for XXXX.
HockeyDad Offline
#150 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,187
No protest vote against the two party system will ever have any value. Only after the bankruptcy of the USA, the subsequent breakup, and the establishment of European parliamentary systems will there be a viable 3rd candidate vote.
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