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Romney & Ryan
HockeyDad Offline
#51 Posted:
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drywalldog wrote:
So it will be white collar layoffs all around, and Walmart wages for the rest. Its the Romney way.


How does that differ from all the years under the Obama regime!?

Face it, they own your soul!
drywalldog Offline
#52 Posted:
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Zrx, guess as a righty you agree with everything Mitt will do. And everything your party has done?
drywalldog Offline
#53 Posted:
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God owns my soul, HD.
ZRX1200 Offline
#54 Posted:
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You think I'm voting Mittens?


LMAO!!!!!!


You aren't paying attention........no I'm voting RP.
drywalldog Offline
#55 Posted:
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Than you are a flyover vote, you dont count. Thx by the way.
Whistlebritches Offline
#56 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You think I'm voting Mittens?


LMAO!!!!!!


You aren't paying attention........no I'm voting RP.



Jamie

I love ya Brother but thats nothing but a wasted vote that puts Obumma right back in the drivers seat.I'm not real happy with our 2 party system either......but I'll be damned if I'll waste my vote in protest just to let bastids currently in the Whitehouse pile drive us 4 more years.

BTW I like Ryan alot......He's almost as conservative as me and he does possess a libertarian streak.The independents that use Ryan as an excuse for voting Obumma had full intentions of voting that way all along.


Ron
drywalldog Offline
#57 Posted:
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A man has to draw a line in the sand sometime Zrx, but Ron is probably right.
drywalldog Offline
#58 Posted:
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Of course in the landside for Mitt, what is one more vote?
ZRX1200 Offline
#59 Posted:
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Im in Oregon fellas.


Vote (fraud) by mail! Plus my state rarely matters......I will not bote for a republican president again until the party changes.
drywalldog Offline
#60 Posted:
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Line drawn, I admire that.
jetblasted Offline
#61 Posted:
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A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Soetoro !!
bloody spaniard Offline
#62 Posted:
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Good. I'm glad we're having a cumbaya moment. Who's got the crack pipe? Pass it around, ya hogs.


Vote for Roseann, Harold Stassen, Tippee Canoe & Biden too. I don't give a damn. LOL!!
Had to scarmble a bit at first, but I'll be in the cone of protection.


Go on wit yer bad self, Ryan. Give Romney Ohio! Yeah, that'll help!RollEyes
ZRX1200 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Spoken just like the Hannity echo chamber!


Jet till there is a difference between the two I will not feed the beast. Go ahead and participate in divisional politics and ensure entrenched power keeps its talons clenched in lady liberty.


I understand your sentiments though.
wheelrite Offline
#64 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You think I'm voting Mittens?


LMAO!!!!!!


You aren't paying attention........no I'm voting RP.


Rue Paul ?

bloody spaniard Offline
#65 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Spoken just like the Hannity echo chamber!
Jet till there is a difference between the two I will not feed the beast. Go ahead and participate in divisional politics and ensure entrenched power keeps its talons clenched in lady liberty.
I understand your sentiments though.



What sensitive bas tard you is. I feel the love for jetblasted.Wub
You calling me Hannity??? Bastid!Cursing
Although he IS rich and looks a little like the distinguished Fiorello Laguardia.



Oregon? Isn't that guru ram das raisin bran euthanasia country?RollEyes
ZRX1200 Offline
#66 Posted:
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No I was talking about Jet.

Your beard is much too fierce to confuse with Wallbanger. Yes the land of Granola and honey!

Not attacking Jet I like him, its the politics of fear that I dislike.



Wheel you really like nubian trannies WAY to much.
wheelrite Offline
#67 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:




Wheel you really like nubian trannies WAY to much.



Well.you're the one voting for her,him....Anxious
bloody spaniard Offline
#68 Posted:
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You is fascinating to me, ZRX.
You're like a wee man with a big brain trapped in Oliver Hardy's body.

Jet is Rhett Butler minus a chromosome.

I keed, Jet.Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#69 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Jet is Rhett Butler minus a chromosome. I keed, Jet.Mellow


Margaret Mitchell is still quite revered around these parts . . .
bloody spaniard Offline
#70 Posted:
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jetblasted wrote:
Margaret Mitchell is still quite revered around these parts . . .


...and rightfully so. (classic novel/movie)
rfenst Offline
#71 Posted:
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Too bad Mitt didn't pick an energizing "household name". Rubio, for example, would have been a VERY smart play. Conservatives adore him and he'd bring the Florida bacon home. Bad strategic move as of now, IMO.
wheelrite Offline
#72 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Too bad Mitt didn't pick an energizing "household name". Rubio, for example, would have been a VERY smart play. Conservatives adore him and he'd bring the Florida bacon home. Bad strategic move as of now, IMO.


He'll win Florida anyways,,,
Rubio is still too green. Maybe in 8 yrs.
drywalldog Offline
#73 Posted:
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Yes Wheel, and Dullas wins the Superbowl.
wheelrite Offline
#74 Posted:
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drywalldog wrote:
Yes Wheel, and Dullas wins the Superbowl.


you're a commie whip
drywalldog Offline
#75 Posted:
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Too funny shorty.
rfenst Offline
#76 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
He'll win Florida anyways,,,
Rubio is still too green. Maybe in 8 yrs.


Romney is down 6% in Florida as of last week.
"Too green" has nothing to do with picking someone who will attract votes.
drywalldog Offline
#77 Posted:
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Robert, they dont need Florida, as long as they get Texas. Wheel knows how to pick the winner, every time.
ZRX1200 Offline
#78 Posted:
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http://dailybail.com/home/busted-watch-tarp-republican-paul-ryan-begging-congress-to-v.html



He voted for gun control and NDAA too.........enjoy.
wheelrite Offline
#79 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Romney is down 6% in Florida as of last week.
"Too green" has nothing to do with picking someone who will attract votes.


Robert people don't vote for Veep,

and there really is no reason to vote for Barry,
His record stinks and your state is in dire condition in particular,,,

Btw,
When Reagan ran in 1980 all the polls had him down double digits through oct.1980...

and we all know how that ended,,,
drywalldog Offline
#80 Posted:
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Iran is holding American hostages again, who knew.
wheelrite Offline
#81 Posted:
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drywalldog wrote:
Iran is holding American hostages again, who knew.


again you miss the point ,

Polls can be shaped and tweeked to arrive at a desired outcome.
The media prefers to manufacture opinion to achieve their desired results rather than report the facts, as we all know...
drywalldog Offline
#82 Posted:
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You win Wheel, Mitt wins big.
wheelrite Offline
#83 Posted:
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drywalldog wrote:
You win Wheel, Mitt wins big.


not big..

There are lots of people like you that want someone else to pick up the tab,,,
it will be close, sadly
drywalldog Offline
#84 Posted:
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Dam, I was hoping for a free ride.
drywalldog Offline
#85 Posted:
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Sarcasm
gringococolo Offline
#86 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You think I'm voting Mittens?


LMAO!!!!!!


You aren't paying attention........no I'm voting RP.




It's a vote for Obama.

Nice to vote with your heart, I get it. I understand principals, being fed up with the system, there are major flaws in Romney and now Ryan. None of them are as bad as Obama and his ilk.

I think you should continue to pursure a true "libertarian", candidate. Donate money, get the word out, be pro-active, get involved, all that stuff. But for the sake of this country do not waste a vote that can ONLY help Obama.


I honestly feel bad for the millions of independent/libertarian or whatever voters are out there. I has to weigh on you. It's going to be the same as the millions of fed up republicans/independents that voted for Obama. The buyers remorse will be worse than swallowing your pride.



I was reminded of an unrelated speech from Pulp Fiction:

"I think you’re gonna find, when all this **** is over, I think you’re gonna find yourself one smiling ****. The thing is, Butch, right now you got ability. But painful as it may be, ability don’t last. And your days are just about over. Now that’s a hard motherfuckin’ fact of life, but that’s a fact of life your ass is gonna have to get realistic about. See, this business is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don’t. Besides, Butch, how many fights do you think you got in you anyhow? Two? Boxers don’t have an Old Timers Place. You came close but you never made it. And if you were gonna make it, you would have made it before now. You’re mine, dig?
Night of the fight, you might feel a slight sting. THATS PRIDE **** WITH YOU. **** pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps. You fight through that ****. ‘Cause a year from now, when you kicking it in the Caribbean, you gonna say to yourself, “Marcellus Wallace was right.”


wheelrite Offline
#87 Posted:
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drywalldog wrote:
Dam, I was hoping for a free ride.


you've posted previously that you're an Obama Care supporter,,,
drywalldog Offline
#88 Posted:
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I am a supporter of the middle class, you clearly are not.
jetblasted Offline
#89 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Very cool about the jet, Jet.


I saw that this aircraft is now retired at the Reagan library. A friend toured & posted about it on Facebook today, and I looked up this article. It had a very extensive & cool history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-137C_SAM_27000
rfenst Offline
#90 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Robert people don't vote for Veep,

and there really is no reason to vote for Barry,
His record stinks and your state is in dire condition in particular,,,

Btw,
When Reagan ran in 1980 all the polls had him down double digits through oct.1980...

and we all know how that ended,,,


If people don't factor who the VP candidate is, then why is there such a big deal made about it?


I do think a good or bad VP candidate can influence a vote, particularly in a close/toss-up state- when the candidate is revered within that state.

I also think that a VP candidate can hurt a ticket. Choosing Sarah Palin was one an important factors in my decision not to vote for the old guy with gray hair.

Rubio would help carry Florida. Jeb Bush would too. These are just a couple examples from Florida, which is considered one of the top few must win states.

Pretty much every state probably has one potential VP candidate who could change the vote in that state- albeit not always enough to carry that state.
fiddler898 Offline
#91 Posted:
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My one cent, in and out of this thread: Mitt has solidified the conservative vote, which he needs. He also has sent wavering union votes to Obama. He's probably surrendered the senior vote (eliminate Medicare? Right.). Most of the right wing pundits are happy, but has Mitt given them control of his campaign? Wisconsin? Don't really see that flipping GOP, but what do I know?

Plus: he is planning to focus the rest of the campaign on the economy; Minus: Ryan, in the long view , is a light weight.
rfenst Offline
#92 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
again you miss the point ,

Polls can be shaped and tweeked to arrive at a desired outcome.
The media prefers to manufacture opinion to achieve their desired results rather than report the facts, as we all know...


It is impossible that even a single pole or group of polls combined could give a relatively accurate assessment? Then why do the campaigns and parties spend their money on polls that never get reported?
wheelrite Offline
#93 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
If people don't factor who the VP candidate is, then why is there such a big deal made about it?


I do think a good or bad VP candidate can influence a vote, particularly in a close/toss-up state- when the candidate is revered within that state.

I also think that a VP candidate can hurt a ticket. Choosing Sarah Palin was one an important factors in my decision not to vote for the old guy with gray hair.

Rubio would help carry Florida. Jeb Bush would too. These are just a couple examples from Florida, which is considered one of the top few must win states.

Pretty much every state probably has one potential VP candidate who could change the vote in that state- albeit not always enough to carry that state.



Jeb Bush is a Rino...
Rubio favors amnesty for illegals. he doesn't call it that...

We had that last Presidential election cycle,,

and see how that worked out,,,

wheelrite Offline
#94 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
It is impossible that even a single pole or group of polls combined could give a relatively accurate assessment? Then why do the campaigns and parties spend their money on polls that never get reported?


Counselor,,
"Internal Poles " are conducted withtrue demographics. The media usually over samples Dems and rarely samples likely voters, the demographic that really matters...
rfenst Offline
#95 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
Jeb Bush is a Rino...
Rubio favors amnesty for illegals. he doesn't call it that...

We had that last Presidential election cycle,,

and see how that worked out,,,



You have not addressed the point or example using Florida: Instead, you have degraded Jeb bush and stated that one of Rubio's positions won't work. My point was that if either had been the VP candidate, Romney would carry Florida- and possibly other States.
rfenst Offline
#96 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
The media usually over samples Dems and rarely samples likely voters, the demographic that really matters...


Perhaps. Perhaps not.

I am confident that there are unbiased, statistically accurate polls and that there are also polls that are self-serving, which when combined in groups of other polls ultimately lead to statistically accurate results. There are wonk organizations and people out there that do not have a dog in the fight. Some of them simply "get-off" on creating the survey and interpreting the data. The most important thing to them is accuracy.
jetblasted Offline
#97 Posted:
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Ryan is a deer hunter, a turkey hunter & a Packer's fan. All American Boy in my book.

Applause Applause Applause
rfenst Offline
#98 Posted:
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[quote=jetblasted]Ryan is a deer hunter, a turkey hunter & a Packer's fan. All American Boy in my book.

Applause Applause Applause [/quo


Do any of his relatives have a drinking problem?
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#99 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Spoken just like the Hannity echo chamber!


Jet till there is a difference between the two I will not feed the beast. Go ahead and participate in divisional politics and ensure entrenched power keeps its talons clenched in lady liberty.


I understand your sentiments though.



Been there for awhile.Herfing Republicans, Democrats, Same **** Different Pile. The Republicans, will not reduce the amount of money spent on government, they just spend it differently. That is why Shrub, doubled the national debt, in his 8 years, 6 years of which, the Republicans controlled both the Senate and the House. So we will borrow the money, and kick the can farther down the road. While they dismantle Medicare, and Social Security, and spend every penny they saved there, on something else. They will cut taxes on the wealthy, and borrow more money to pay for the handouts to the oil and gas companies, the Military Industrial Complex, and the other special interests, who have bought and paid for the politicians of both parties for years.

It doesn't matter which major party you vote for, the national debt will continue to go up, until the country defaults on its' debt. Our economy will continue to suck, regardless on who wins the control. You ask me, why I believe this? I can tell you pretty simply. The Middle Class is soon to be gone.
OK so many companies, have mad a fortune outsourcing our manufacturing base. That was where the largest middle class in history, made enough money to be able to call themselves middle class. The other members of the middle class, the professionals, doctors, lawyers, and small business owners, are really the backbone, of what is left of the middle class. Their numbers will contract, as well, as who can afford their services? Surely not Walmart employees. With out the middle class, and the health insurance that they, or the companies that employed them, could afford. How is a Doctor supposed to be able to afford to run his office? There are a lot of costs, that go into running a medical office, and with less patients, at least paying patients, how can the doctor pay for his staff, equipment, offices, and insurance? Take care of those, who can afford the care, and the cost per patient, is going to skyrocket. So that will cut into the pool of patients even further, as less doctors, will be needed, so there are even less people who can afford their services, which will cut into their patient base even farther, again reducing the need for doctors. The same will hold true, for lawyers, to an extent. Walmart employees, can't afford a Lawyer anyway. But with hard times, comes more property crime. As the guy who works, for Walmart, can't afford to feed house, and clothe his family, out of desperation, will rob a bank, liquor store, or steal from a doctor or lawyer. The more desperate they become, the more violent the crime will be. If caught, they will need a lawyer, but a public defender will be appointed, because the criminal can't afford their rates, and the government is going to have to supply them one. Now everybody knows, that public defenders don't make as much money, as a Wall Street Lawyer, or a Lawyer, whose bread and butter, is serving the middle class, in civil court. Sorry Pacman, but you know it is true. So with an increased need for public defenders, and a large decrease in the number of middle class clients, available to afford the other lawyers fees. There will be a lot of unemployed Lawyers, or a lot of underpaid lawyers working in the public defenders office, and a very few Wall Street Lawyers, who will make bank, but there will not be enough demand for many, which further decreases the demand for lawyers. Which less lawyers sounds like a welcome change, to most of us, unless they are one of the clients that help keep your business i business.
The only growth industries I see, in the next few years, are prisons, and security, as well as those who sell necessities, like food. Maybe the defense industry if the Republicans win control, but even some of them are more fiscally responsible than that. Now that is all well and good, but where do the dollars come from to run prisons? That is right, the taxpayer. Any increase in prison population comes with increase cost to the government, which means the government has to borrow more dollars to run them. Yes even private prisons, must rely on taxes to pay for them, or the government has to borrow the money, and add to the debt.
I am sure that many of you do not realize, that the majority of taxes paid, used to be paid by the middle class. With the shrinking of the middle class, there are less taxes to collect from them. With a shrinking middle class, the taxes that were once paid by them, now must be paid by someone else, or once again, the it is added to the debt. There are only 2 groups left to tax, to make up the shortfall. The Rich, or the poor. You really can’t tax the poor, for obvious reasons. The rich, are the only folks left to tax, well that and corporations. Of course, the rich, and the corporations will not be taxed. They can afford to buy the politicians, and judges, to make sure that doesn’t happen. So we will keep borrowing the money to operate the government, until the country defaults. That is just how I see it.

While most of what I have just written, may be seen, by some to be critical of the Republican party, it is only for one reason. Picking at flaws in the Democrats plans,, while there are plenty, gets plenty of play around here, without me adding to it. I just don’t want to waste my time, preaching to the choir. There is enough of a circle jerk, on the political forum, without another pud puller joining the ranks.
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

P.S. Howdy Folks. Long time no chat. Sorry to be MIA for so long, but I don't have much time for posting, or reading posts, anymore. I rarely have time to devote to the savoring of a fine cigar much anymore. I really get a shot at one good cigar a week, without my attention being divided between the cigar, and not running over some of the dumbasses that frequent the highways, and make a truckers life interesting. I just had a few minutes to kill, before the girlfriend gets home from work, and I fire up the grill. Hope Ya'll have a great weekend.
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#100 Posted:
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....but on the bright side.....

Once the USA defaults and the Union is dissolved, we're going to put New France back together again! Reminds me of a line from the Blues Brothers.....We're putting the band back together!
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