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itsawaldo Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 6:48 AM EST
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Chicago Tribune Op-Ed piece from the other day, C&P this for you all, kind of summed it up for me.



Bad Choice

Voters had one candidate promising jobs and another promising free stuff and they chose the free stuff.

We've got four more years ahead of us of rule by executive order, deficit spending and money-printing with no end in sight, with no reform coming for Social Security, Medicare and the tax system, and 8% unemployment and GDP stagnation as the new normal.

Next up: the fiscal cliff, with a president who has not at any time in the last four years shown any interest or ability in working in a bipartison fashion.

This will not end well.
HockeyDad Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 7:31 AM EST
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
... or if we've just dodged a headlong a trip into Fascism. Either way, this thought police crap gives me the creeps...




It may not be fascism but the dictatorship will rise from the chaos after the USA goes bankrupt. A big enough crisis and people will just willingly hand away their freedoms for the feeling of security. It is just another version of the nanny state mentality already in place.

We didn't dodge anything. We're still on track and maybe accelerated it.
HockeyDad Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 7:34 AM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Of every 5 jobs that were created last year, 4 went to immigrants & 1 went to a natural born US citizen.


I would like to see a breakdown of how many of the jobs were created by poor people, rich people, corporations, and government.
HockeyDad Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 7:37 AM EST
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snowwolf777 wrote:
We're one week past the election and I've already sat in on two meetings where our corporation is discussing how we're going to handle Obamacare, increased taxes, and upcoming federal regulations. I can tell you the discussions sure as hell weren't about adding faclities, buying more equipment and creating jobs.



I'm curious how my large globalist corporation plays this. We can create or eliminate jobs in a vast number of countries. At any given time we're growing in one continent and shrinking in another.
HockeyDad Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 7:40 AM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
Chicago Tribune Op-Ed piece from the other day, C&P this for you all, kind of summed it up for me.



Bad Choice

Voters had one candidate promising jobs and another promising free stuff and they chose the free stuff.

We've got four more years ahead of us of rule by executive order, deficit spending and money-printing with no end in sight, with no reform coming for Social Security, Medicare and the tax system, and 8% unemployment and GDP stagnation as the new normal.

Next up: the fiscal cliff, with a president who has not at any time in the last four years shown any interest or ability in working in a bipartison fashion.

This will not end well.






They just don't realize our best and brightest days are ahead of us.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 8:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They just don't realize our best and brightest days are ahead of us.


Yep, screw OP ED pieces...they have about as much fact in them as a Power Rangers cartoon...
snowwolf777 Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 8:28 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm curious how my large globalist corporation plays this. We can create or eliminate jobs in a vast number of countries. At any given time we're growing in one continent and shrinking in another.



So it's like your corporation is breathing. Or some kind of mobile cancer. Creepy.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 8:34 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It may not be fascism but the dictatorship will rise from the chaos after the USA goes bankrupt. A big enough crisis and people will just willingly hand away their freedoms for the feeling of security. It is just another version of the nanny state mentality already in place.

We didn't dodge anything. We're still on track and maybe accelerated it.


Yeah, I'm not buying the Obamagedon gloom and doom quite yet...our country has survived two world wars, a great depression, McCarthyism, and a prolonged war on communism (from within and without). I think that we will figure this out. We are still the strongest economy in the world so far and we will, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, do the right thing, even if it is the absolute last resort...

Think Think Think
banderl Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 9:08 AM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
Chicago Tribune Op-Ed piece from the other day, C&P this for you all, kind of summed it up for me.



Bad Choice

Voters had one candidate promising jobs and another promising free stuff and they chose the free stuff.

We've got four more years ahead of us of rule by executive order, deficit spending and money-printing with no end in sight, with no reform coming for Social Security, Medicare and the tax system, and 8% unemployment and GDP stagnation as the new normal.

Next up: the fiscal cliff, with a president who has not at any time in the last four years shown any interest or ability in working in a bipartison fashion.

This will not end well.




Still can't believe that the Trib endorsed Obama.
tailgater Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 9:47 AM EST
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
...I'm a gun carrying redneck of the "pry it from my cold dead hands" variety. I worked for the Santorum campaign during the primaries and have worked for other GOP candidates in the past. I was raised Southern Baptist, my father was a minister and I still attend (at least weekly) an evangelical church. So that puts me firmly in the social conservative branch of the GOP. I also worked in DC during the first Bush Administration...now those credentials were impressive but I won't bore you with those details...blah, blah, blah...



Marvelous!
And me? Well, I'm a Scorpio. I like long walks on the beach. I enjoy quiet evenings by the fire.
Social drinker, and yes, I smoke handmade cigars.
But enough about me. Let's hear some more about YOU...


whip
teedubbya Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:12 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Marvelous!
And me? Well, I'm a Scorpio. I like long walks on the beach. I enjoy quiet evenings by the fire.
Social drinker, and yes, I smoke handmade cigars.
But enough about me. Let's hear some more about YOU...


whip



I like Pina Coladas
and getting caught in the rain,
I'm not into yoga
I have half a brain,
I like making love at midnight
Wearing chaps and a cape,
I'm the love that you've looked for
PM me and escape
HockeyDad Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:14 AM EST
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I'm hungry for Chick-Fil-A.
teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:15 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm hungry for Chick-Fil-A.


They won't let me in but I have a whopper for you
HockeyDad Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:19 AM EST
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8track has a Big MACS.
teedubbya Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:20 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
8track has a Big MACS.


When I met him he still had the special sauce all over his chin and lips
victor809 Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:20 AM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
Chicago Tribune Op-Ed piece from the other day, C&P this for you all, kind of summed it up for me.



Bad Choice

Voters had one candidate promising jobs and another promising free stuff and they chose the free stuff.

We've got four more years ahead of us of rule by executive order, deficit spending and money-printing with no end in sight, with no reform coming for Social Security, Medicare and the tax system, and 8% unemployment and GDP stagnation as the new normal.

Next up: the fiscal cliff, with a president who has not at any time in the last four years shown any interest or ability in working in a bipartison fashion.

This will not end well.




Never mind the complexities of a presidential campaign and party platforms. The author astutely boiled it down to "Everyone who voted against my candidate wants free stuff, anyone who voted for my candidate wants to be an honest worker."

Really, this is the level of complexity you're able to handle in the world?
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:24 AM EST
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Vic maybe the folks running the insane asylum are really the nuttos and don't know it

wow I blew my own mind
victor809 Offline
#118 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:26 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:


wow I blew myself




Yoga's been paying off, eh? :)
HockeyDad Offline
#119 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:29 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Vic maybe the folks running the insane asylum


At least they have a job.
tailgater Offline
#120 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:46 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Never mind the complexities of a presidential campaign and party platforms. The author astutely boiled it down to "Everyone who voted against my candidate wants free stuff, anyone who voted for my candidate wants to be an honest worker."

Really, this is the level of complexity you're able to handle in the world?


It's the level that the average American voter seems to comprehend.

Look at the presidential election.
For instance, a huge percentage voted against Romney because he "wanted to control a woman's reproductive rights".
Yup.
Forget the deficit. Forget wars in the Middle East. Forget our spiral into bancruptcy.
The new GOP president would have seen to it that woman would have to pay for their own contraception. Then they'd make it illegal to get their coveted abortion. Then they would have paid them 20% less for the same job.
You know that's hogwash, but I bet you've used a portion of these arguments yourself. Probably on these forums.
It's mind boggling to hear such lunacy from supposedly sane people.

And I haven't even mentioned the platform of "fair share". That's an even bigger joke.
Logical discussions can be made about wealth disparity. But to say "Pay your fair share" without identifying what it is and (more importantly) how it will be used is idiotic to put it mildly.

So the "free stuff" mantra from the author isn't too far off from how it unfolded.


And I haven't even touched upon the race issue.
I'm sure lots of backwoods rednecks voted against Obama because he's black.
But about 95% of black voters cast their ballot for Obama.
Think about that. Because if you've ever did any work on consensus, you'd understand how it's almost impossible to get 95% to agree on ANYTHING.
But. Well.
There it is.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#121 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 10:55 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Yoga's been paying off, eh? :)



He really really wants to be on the Georgetown rubby team...or just cheerlead for them.
victor809 Offline
#122 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:03 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's the level that the average American voter seems to comprehend.

Look at the presidential election.
For instance, a huge percentage voted against Romney because he "wanted to control a woman's reproductive rights".
Yup.
Forget the deficit. Forget wars in the Middle East. Forget our spiral into bancruptcy.
The new GOP president would have seen to it that woman would have to pay for their own contraception. Then they'd make it illegal to get their coveted abortion. Then they would have paid them 20% less for the same job.
You know that's hogwash, but I bet you've used a portion of these arguments yourself. Probably on these forums.
It's mind boggling to hear such lunacy from supposedly sane people.

And I haven't even mentioned the platform of "fair share". That's an even bigger joke.
Logical discussions can be made about wealth disparity. But to say "Pay your fair share" without identifying what it is and (more importantly) how it will be used is idiotic to put it mildly.

So the "free stuff" mantra from the author isn't too far off from how it unfolded.


And I haven't even touched upon the race issue.
I'm sure lots of backwoods rednecks voted against Obama because he's black.
But about 95% of black voters cast their ballot for Obama.
Think about that. Because if you've ever did any work on consensus, you'd understand how it's almost impossible to get 95% to agree on ANYTHING.
But. Well.
There it is.


But you just proved my point.
There are a large number of issues:
Women's reproductive rights
Abortion
Gun Control
Taxes
Military Spending
Gay rights
Welfare
etc etc etc

My point is that an intelligent person took the sum total of all the issues, weighted them based on personal significance, and then chose a candidate who best fit their desires.

To assume that everyone who voted one way "wants free stuff" shows a complete inability to even understand the issue at hand.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#123 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:05 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
But you just proved my point.
There are a large number of issues:
Women's reproductive rights
Abortion
Gun Control
Taxes
Military Spending
Gay rights
Welfare
etc etc etc

My point is that an intelligent person took the sum total of all the issues, weighted them based on personal significance, and then chose a candidate who best fit their desires.

To assume that everyone who voted one way "wants free stuff" shows a complete inability to even understand the issue at hand.



Let's not mention JOBS AND THE ECONOMY!

OBAMAPHONE!!!
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#124 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:06 AM EST
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Well tailgater, you make some valid points on both sides BUT the data suggests that the more educated you are the more likely you were to vote for Obama. So the "smart money" voted for the President. Also, 3/4ths of the evangelical vote went for the Mormon (go figure) mostly because he said he would protect the unborn child...talk about one issue voters. Many of them actually believe that God is a Republican and openly hate Democrats (don't get me started).

I don't buy the free stuff argument mainly because BOTH parties are so bought and paid for with corporate SuperPAC money that the special interests have their hooks into them...History tells us that influence buys you stuff. What that influence buys only time will tell but if Romney had won then the military and big oil would have benefited greatly (they still will BTW).

I also have been intrigued by the process that the GOP is going through post election results (POST ELECTION GRIEF). So far most seem stuck in the denial/grief stage but they need to move on and deal with it. In the immortal words of Cher in "Moonstruck"...."Snap out of it!"

BTW...the stages of grief are....denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance...
HockeyDad Offline
#125 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:07 AM EST
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They looked at all the issues and then voted to get paid.
DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:10 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:

To assume that everyone who voted one way "wants free stuff" shows a complete inability to even understand the issue at hand.



Although the majority of Dems prolly took this into consideration you are right... not all voted just for free stuff... others voted solely because of his race... still others voted because the feel they are holier than thou and needed to sell records and movies and stuff..... all the OP wanted to know was why you voted for Obama... you don't have to disect the question or answer for the whole country.. just answer his question honestly with your own personal reasons.... Mellow
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#127 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:13 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Although the majority of Dems prolly took this into consideration you are right... not all voted just for free stuff... others voted solely because of his race... still others voted because the feel they are holier than thou and needed to sell records and movies and stuff..... all the OP wanted to know was why you voted for Obama... you don't have to disect the question or answer for the whole country.. just answer his question honestly with your own personal reasons.... Mellow


WOW! How condescending... Shame on you
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:15 AM EST
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I'm sorry..... Sad
victor809 Offline
#129 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:17 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Although the majority of Dems prolly took this into consideration you are right... not all voted just for free stuff... others voted solely because of his race... still others voted because the feel they are holier than thou and needed to sell records and movies and stuff..... all the OP wanted to know was why you voted for Obama... you don't have to disect the question or answer for the whole country.. just answer his question honestly with your own personal reasons.... Mellow


condescending and incorrect.

Read the original question. Nothing about voting (I made the error at the beginning as well)

The question simply asks "Why do you want the country to become communist?"

But we've gotten away from that. Try to keep up drafter, we're now talking about waldo's infatuation with an op-ed piece that can't seem to be any more complex than "everyone I don't like just wants free stuff".... you'd probably like the piece too.
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#130 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:19 AM EST
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Think
so, Lefty never got an answer..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:32 AM EST
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Apology accepted drafter
DrafterX Offline
#132 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:38 AM EST
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I'm just mad cause cause I don't get free stuff..... Mad
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:40 AM EST
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yea I'm still waiting for the free stuff from 2008. Youd think if it was all about free stuff people would learn

or maybe.... just maybe.... the free stuff mantra isn't accurate..... maybe just maybe what the echo chamber sees as accurate really isn't


nah. I want my phone now!
DrafterX Offline
#134 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:43 AM EST
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well, nobody can do anything in just 4 years.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:44 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, nobody can do anything in just 4 years.... Mellow


Not true. My phone activation only took a few minutes.
DrafterX Offline
#136 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:46 AM EST
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well, that's what I heard... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#137 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:47 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, that's what I heard... Mellow


Are you suggsting by the time the government activated the phone the 2 year contract would be up?
DrafterX Offline
#138 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:50 AM EST
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no.... suggesting I didn't get my phone within the first 4 years so I'm hoping it will get here before the next election.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#139 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:51 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
no.... suggesting I didn't get my phone within the first 4 years so I'm hoping it will get here before the next election.... Mellow


So yuu DID vote for Obama..... the microchip planted during your last flu shot suggests otherwise. I just checked the data base.
victor809 Offline
#140 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:56 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
. maybe just maybe what the echo chamber sees as accurate really isn't



Nonsense... they were dead-on with the polling data and stuff. No way that group could be inaccurate about anything.
watchurai Offline
#141 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 11:57 AM EST
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Wow. Drafter is one mellow dude, waiting for his free stuff.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#142 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 12:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
So yuu DID vote for Obama..... the microchip planted during your last flu shot suggests otherwise. I just checked the data base.




Hmmmmm, Drafter gets flu shots? That would explain a lot.Drool
teedubbya Offline
#143 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 12:02 PM EST
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watchurai wrote:
Wow. Drafter is one mellow dude, waiting for his free stuff.... Mellow


we crossreferenced his microship with inventory..... if I were him I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anything.... his voting pattern is unacceptable
teedubbya Offline
#144 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 12:03 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Nonsense... they were dead-on with the polling data and stuff. No way that group could be inaccurate about anything.


Victor... the republican party was spot on... they just need to do more of the same but do it better.... the folks that voted were wrong.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#145 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 2:40 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Victor... the republican party was spot on... they just need to do more of the same but do it better.... the folks that voted were wrong.


Keep that strategy and it will be 2020 before you have a legit shot at retaking the White House...or another party will anyways!

horse horse horse horse
teedubbya Offline
#146 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 2:49 PM EST
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
Keep that strategy and it will be 2020 before you have a legit shot at retaking the White House...or another party will anyways!

horse horse horse horse


nah

the polls were wrong
Brewha Offline
#147 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 3:17 PM EST
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Been out for a day or two and am too lazy to read the thread.

Did Lefty get an answer to his satisfaction, or did he stop pouting and went for a nap?
DrafterX Offline
#148 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 3:26 PM EST
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I heard he was banned..... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#149 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 3:31 PM EST
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It makes sense.

He does not seem to know where the center of the Earth is.
Maybe he fell off.
teedubbya Offline
#150 Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2012, 3:41 PM EST
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I heard they took him away in a whaaaaaaambulance
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