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dstieger Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:11 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I plan to be in Washington DC soon. I expect to smell the acrid scent of diesel and tires burning from the austerity riots.


We should get together, herf a bit over a burning tire mock the ungrateful masses.
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:12 AM EST
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Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again.
When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drums,
there is a life about to start when tomorrow comes.

Will you join in our crusade? Who will be strong and stand with me?
Beyond the barricade, is there a world you long to see?

Then join in the fight that will give you the right to be free.

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the songs of angry men?
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again
When the beating of your heart, echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start when tomorrow comes

Will you give all you can give, so that our banner may advance?
Some will fall and some will live,
will you stand up and take your chance?
The blood of the martyrs will water the meadows of France.

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the songs of angry men?
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again
When the beating of your heart, echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start when tomorrow comes
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:13 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
We should get together, herf a bit over a burning tire mock the ungrateful masses.



Sounds good. Memorial Day. We can meet down at the barricades.
alpine951 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:14 AM EST
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The sequestration doesn't cut current spending. it's going to decrease the amount of future spending growth. A lot of Obama talk is BS just to stir up hysteria amongst the low or no knowledge folks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/02/21/the_pro-growth_sequester__117093.html
dstieger Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:18 AM EST
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^53. Funny, last Memorial Day weekend I actually did smoke a cigar in DC while watching burning tires. Vietnam vet in Rolling Thunder had his bike spontaneously combust while crossing Memorial Bridge. Sad afternoon. Dude was OK, but bike was total loss.
dpnewell Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:22 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Share the pain; share the wealth. .....to each according to his needs....or something like that!!!!


I talk about government living within it's means, instead of burdening our children with debt, and you twist it into Socialism? Nice deflection.
HockeyDad Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:25 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
I talk about government living within it's means, instead of burdening our children with debt, and you twist it into Socialism? Nice deflection.



Government has no means to live within....except 100% taxation of all income and wealth. Then government tops out.
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#58 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:26 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Since you make less money, even though tax rates went up you are actually paying less taxes now. You're welcome.

Signed: "B" Obama

oh and..... [email protected]


My property taxes went up more then $1000 over the past 4 years, so that those poor, underpaid teachers could get the raises they so desperately needed.
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:33 AM EST
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Those teachers were due their "Cone Of Protection" money.
dstieger Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:45 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
I talk about government living within it's means, instead of burdening our children with debt, and you twist it into Socialism? Nice deflection.


I don't know, David. I re-read your post and it still appears to me that you're blaming government employees and fairly explicitly saying 'commercial sector folks have had it tough, so government employees should suffer, too'.
No secret that I'm in the former group, so not exactly unbiased. However, this is a pretty ham-fisted approach to a problem that is congress' making. If you agree that we need efficiencies and intelligent reductions, this is not the way to get there.
HockeyDad Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 11:48 AM EST
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The solution really is simple. Raise taxes from the private sector to properly fund the government sector.
8trackdisco Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 12:57 PM EST
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[quote=dpnewell] Most of them have had it very easy over the past 4 years. [quote]

They have nothing to compare it to, so it isn't easy for them.

Making 80k, you still had problems. Making 60k becomes a problem after you make 80k.



I have less than 60k problems.
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#63 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 1:01 PM EST
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[quote=dpnewell]My property taxes went up more then $1000 over the past 4 years. [quote]


Wow, your house got bigger fast.
dpnewell Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 1:59 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
[quote=dpnewell]My property taxes went up more then $1000 over the past 4 years. [quote]


Wow, your house got bigger fast.


No, the house is the same size as when I moved in back in '93. Taxes where $3200 when I moved in. They are now just over $7000. In the same time frame, average NJ Teacher salaries went from $44,000 to $68,000.
dpnewell Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:20 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I don't know, David. I re-read your post and it still appears to me that you're blaming government employees and fairly explicitly saying 'commercial sector folks have had it tough, so government employees should suffer, too'.
No secret that I'm in the former group, so not exactly unbiased. However, this is a pretty ham-fisted approach to a problem that is congress' making. If you agree that we need efficiencies and intelligent reductions, this is not the way to get there.


Maybe I'm just a little p*ssed at all the crying government employees and their poor sob stories they keep playing on TV. Many of them come across as elitists that shouldn't have to tighten their belts during a time of economic turn down. Ask them, and I bet you would find that many would be fine with raising taxes further on the struggling private sector, forcing more folks into suffering and poverty, as long as it means them keeping their inflated salaries and benefits.

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#66 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:23 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
No, the house is the same size as when I moved in back in '93. Taxes where $3200 when I moved in. They are now just over $7000. In the same time frame, average NJ Teacher salaries went from $44,000 to $68,000.



I don't know how you do it...I'd leave that state in a New York minute!
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#67 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:26 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
[quote=dpnewell] Most of them have had it very easy over the past 4 years. [quote]

They have nothing to compare it to, so it isn't easy for them.

Making 80k, you still had problems. Making 60k becomes a problem after you make 80k.



I have less than 60k problems.


Dude, the years I made 80k, I gave a ton of money away, and still had way more then I needed. Even the 60k years I had considerable excess. Maybe that's why I can now make it on $25k, while paying all my bills and still enjoying cigars.

Folks making $80k that can't get by on $60k, only have themselves to blame.
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#68 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:31 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I don't know how you do it...I'd leave that state in a New York minute!


We're trying to get our NC house ready to move in. New kitchen, baths, deck, railings, paint, hardwood, carpet, etc. Going slow, especially since it's 500 miles from our Jersey place, and the wife and I are doing all the work. One more season (spring, summer, early fall) for my Awning company, and we shut down, put the Jersey place on the market, and get out of there.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:36 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
We're trying to get our NC house ready to move in. New kitchen, baths, deck, railings, paint, hardwood, carpet, etc. Going slow, especially since it's 500 miles from our Jersey place, and the wife and I are doing all the work. One more season (spring, summer, early fall) for my Awning company, and we shut down, put the Jersey place on the market, and get out of there.



Get ALL of your family outta that place...no need to visit once you leave!
Buckwheat Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:47 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Do you think country will implode (job losses) or just another phony fiscal cliff scenario w/bandaid quick fix at the last minute?


Very little of the first and definitely a lot of phony fiscal cliff like BS. And the world will turn and nothing will change. Have a drink and a smoke and be happy that you're not Irish. Beer
DrMaddVibe Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:50 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Very little of the first and definitely a lot of phony fiscal cliff like BS. And the world will turn and nothing will change. Have a drink and a smoke and be happy that you're not Irish. Beer




Yeah...screw Notre Dame and their make-believe girlfriends!
HockeyDad Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:51 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Maybe I'm just a little p*ssed at all the crying government employees and their poor sob stories they keep playing on TV. Many of them come across as elitists that shouldn't have to tighten their belts during a time of economic turn down. Ask them, and I bet you would find that many would be fine with raising taxes further on the struggling private sector, forcing more folks into suffering and poverty, as long as it means them keeping their inflated salaries and benefits.





It not just sob stories......If sequestration is allowed to happen, we will be forced to eliminate all police, firepersons, and teachers and EL Quada, Mexico and Canada will invade and take over the USA due to our depleted military and carve it up into Spanish, French, and Arabic sectors.

This will happen without tax increases.
DrafterX Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:51 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah...screw Notre Dame and their make-believe girlfriends!



poor Rudy.... Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:52 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
poor Rudy.... Sad



Meh...before Pedro...there was Rudy.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 2:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It not just sob stories......If sequestration is allowed to happen, we will be forced to eliminate all police, firepersons, and teachers and EL Quada, Mexico and Canada will invade and take over the USA due to our depleted military and carve it up into Spanish, French, and Arabic sectors.

This will happen without tax increases.



Its been like forever since I was able to watch a donkey show while eating round bacon drizzled in maple syrup with a side of fries and gravy served by dancing veiled wimmens in a crime free zone with a sprinkler system...Ah...Detroit...sometimes I do miss it!Gonz
8trackdisco Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:05 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I don't know how you do it...I'd leave that state in a New York minute!


Wouldn't that be a New JERSEY minute?
8trackdisco Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:08 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Dude, the years I made 80k, I gave a ton of money away, and still had way more then I needed. Even the 60k years I had considerable excess. Maybe that's why I can now make it on $25k, while paying all my bills and still enjoying cigars.

Folks making $80k that can't get by on $60k, only have themselves to blame.


As unamerican as the concept is, there is something to be said for living below your means. It is only a matter of time for all of us. We'll eventually all get to the employer tippling point where we aren't worth what we are being paid. Or our jobs disappear.

Keep squirreling away your nuts.

Forget giving to charity. You'll need it for yourself soon enough.
Buckwheat Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:10 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It not just sob stories......If sequestration is allowed to happen, we will be forced to eliminate all police, firepersons, and teachers and EL Quada, Mexico and Canada will invade and take over the USA due to our depleted military and carve it up into Spanish, French, and Arabic sectors.

This will happen without tax increases.


Look on the bright side: At least we would be able to get legal Cuban Cigars in those three sectors and maybe hash.
8trackdisco Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:10 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
We're trying to get our NC house ready to move in. New kitchen, baths, deck, railings, paint, hardwood, carpet, etc. Going slow, especially since it's 500 miles from our Jersey place, and the wife and I are doing all the work. One more season (spring, summer, early fall) for my Awning company, and we shut down, put the Jersey place on the market, and get out of there.


You have two homes?

I have one home, one bathroom.

Suck it up, Buttercup.
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:11 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
You have two homes?

I have one home, one bathroom.

Suck it up, Buttercup.




He's one of them richers. Get him!
8trackdisco Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It not just sob stories......If sequestration is allowed to happen, we will be forced to eliminate all police, firepersons, and teachers and EL Quada, Mexico and Canada will invade and take over the USA due to our depleted military and carve it up into Spanish, French, and Arabic sectors.

This will happen without tax increases.


I'd jump into one of the 5th grade history and geography gigs. I'd do it to 50% off of the current, union teacher in the role for 10 years.
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#82 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:14 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
He's one of them richers. Get him!


YEEEEEEEE HAW.

I'd be abomination for you, HD, but you globalist s have homes all over the world!
HockeyDad Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:52 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
YEEEEEEEE HAW.

I'd be abomination for you, HD, but you globalist s have homes all over the world!



Gotta keep the options open.

I got three passports, couple of visas Don't even know my real name.
DrafterX Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:54 PM EST
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I got a couple of couches but I sleep on the love seat..... Mellow
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#85 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 4:54 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
We're trying to get our NC house ready to move in. New kitchen, baths, deck, railings, paint, hardwood, carpet, etc. Going slow, especially since it's 500 miles from our Jersey place, and the wife and I are doing all the work. One more season (spring, summer, early fall) for my Awning company, and we shut down, put the Jersey place on the market, and get out of there.

Good luck on your escape from Jersey Bro.
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#86 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 5:03 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Gotta keep the options open.

I got three passports, couple of visas Don't even know my real name.


Eeeeeeeeasy, Big Shooter. I have a VISA too. AND a MasterCard.

They are both maxed out, but I keep them in my wallet anyway. I use it to get the big Wisconsin women to come home with me. Good on plow.
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#87 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 5:03 PM EST
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(Brewha just turned you in. Can't be too careful with what you say on CBid)
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#88 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 5:10 PM EST
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if Brewha was a nark we'd all be banned by now.... he'd never do that.. Not talking
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#89 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 6:23 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
You have two homes?

I have one home, one bathroom.

Suck it up, Buttercup.


That's only because I have a Father who was kind enough to loan me the funds for the new place and the renovations against the sale of my Jersey home. And he only did that because I did without for many years (vacations, eating out, movies etc.) and put every penny I had toward the mortage. Paid in off in 7 years. Guess I was a smuck. Should have lived high off the hog, and maybe I would have gotten a bailout when I could no longer pay the mortage. It also didn't hurt that I snagged the new place (1650 sq. ft., 8 year old rancher on 1.25 acres) for what some of the folks here pay for a car.
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#90 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 7:42 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
ESPECIALLY the military!

We don't need to be in Korea...Germany...Italy...Okinawa...Or anywhere else. Pull the plug.


Pull them from overseas yes, but station a bunch them stateside along the southern border.
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#91 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 7:56 PM EST
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all government employees should be fired but their jobs should not be eliminated. Thier jobs should be given to the private sector folks. It is unfair that the lazy SOBs get paid to do nothing. They didn't do anything to get those jobs and certainly don't do anything when they get them. Bassards. The private sector folks at least will be willing to work for the welfare check. If and when the economy swings back the ex private sector folks (now government employees) can reenter the real work force take risks and make their fortunes. If that doesn't work out they should have right to bump one of the lazy government employees that presubably stepped back in for their welfare check.

Problem solved. Private sector workers are dreamy.....government workers are creepy.

Oh and there should be a few extra jobs for private sector folks running reeducaiton camps for the ex government employees (the lazy ones not the go getter private sector folks who stepped in temporarily). If soilent green is still an option maybe the camps should have a huge grinder (run by ethanol)
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#92 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 8:01 PM EST
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ThumpUp

Except for the ethanol... Mad
teedubbya Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 8:04 PM EST
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ok how about a 1950s rebuilt deisel
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#94 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 8:09 PM EST
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I was thinking of something that burned whale and seal blubber... might add some flavor too.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 8:21 PM EST
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how about just daisey chaining a bunch of old 2 cycle lawn mower engines to the deisel motor which will run on whale and seal blubber?
DrafterX Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 8:29 PM EST
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Sounds like a lot of upkeep.... who's gonna keep them running..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#97 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 8:54 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Sounds like a lot of upkeep.... who's gonna keep them running..?? Huh


Private sector folk.
dpnewell Offline
#98 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 9:02 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
all government employees should be fired but their jobs should not be eliminated. Thier jobs should be given to the private sector folks. It is unfair that the lazy SOBs get paid to do nothing. They didn't do anything to get those jobs and certainly don't do anything when they get them. Bassards. The private sector folks at least will be willing to work for the welfare check. If and when the economy swings back the ex private sector folks (now government employees) can reenter the real work force take risks and make their fortunes. If that doesn't work out they should have right to bump one of the lazy government employees that presubably stepped back in for their welfare check.

Problem solved. Private sector workers are dreamy.....government workers are creepy.

Oh and there should be a few extra jobs for private sector folks running reeducaiton camps for the ex government employees (the lazy ones not the go getter private sector folks who stepped in temporarily). If soilent green is still an option maybe the camps should have a huge grinder (run by ethanol)



Glad to see you're finally coming around. Next thing you know, you'll be one of us Libertarians.
Sarcasm


Where did I ever say that all government employees where lazy? Yes, you have some lazy government employees who think they are entitled to their paycheck, just like you have in the private sector, but that's not the majority.

I'm tired of all the sob stories. Welcome to Obama's real world.

BTW, if I understand this sequestration correctly (and maybe I don't), it reduces government spending to 2011 levels, which would still contain an insane amount of deficit spending. So where are all these stories about 20% pay cuts coming from? Are government employees making 20% more then they did in 2011? It sure sounds like a bunch of propaganda and BS if you ask me.
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#99 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 9:08 PM EST
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Gov't workers mostly suck , except the Military..
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#100 Posted: Thu, Feb 21 2013, 9:09 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Gov't workers mostly suck , except the Military..



They don't cost a thin dime.

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