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Cliff Clavin outrage !!

This coming from Gypsy Rose Lee...

Ohhh, yeah that is SUCH a distinction.

You know, if I brazenly put my feet up on my desk and opened up the newspaper while I was on the clock, my a** would be fired. Outright. And yeah, I saw federal workers doing that day in and day out. No reprocussions.



No. I wouldn't be able to put up with the lack of work ethic and the gross incompentence.

I got buddies who also worked with that lovely federal apparatus. They tell me the same thing.

I have relatives that actually work IN the federal government. Same basic stories.

You're either very lucky or completely frickin' blind to not know or see any of this.



Really? I personally haven't noticed. At all. Your point being?

Oh, in the private sector, there would be no "temporary." If you got laid off, you got laid off. Period. That "temporary" firing crap only applies to union jobs in auto factories. And nowadays, it is more along the lines of permanent.

So, if you think you're making a point here, you're horribly wrong. And I'm not exactly crying because some people in the federal government got an unpaid vacation. I was there at Ford when the Angel of Death made two passes through that place, and saw all sorts of people get the boot. I saw good people - smart people - take their retirement instead of remaining on because they didn't want to lose their retirement benefits (people who've been there for 30 years and were still under the old pension system). There was nothing "temporary" about it.

But unlike the bloated leviathan that is the federal government, Ford needed to trim down to stay alive, and that's exactly what they did.

What, you want me to cry a tear for those poor federal employees who aren't really going to lose their job? Get a life you twit.



Blowhard rhetoric. Nice.

Smoke weed while employed? You're high. Most large employers require a p*ss test before the hire you. A lot of small employers are doing that too. You get caught smoking weed, you're done at most companies.

My health benes are pretty nice too. Best benefits I've ever had. I've worked for a lot of people in the past, not all of them (in fact very few of them) were as good as I have now. That being said, I basically pay for them as a cost of employment. I have no frickin' idea where you get the idea that my employer "pays" for some or all of my health benefits, as they don't - I pay for them. They are what it costs to employ me. And I make a decent chunk of change probably more than 90% of the people that post here. But I guarantee you, I don't make that kind of money sitting around.

Oh yeah, I don't get a pension. Those have basically gone the way of the Dodo bird. You get a 401K, that you pay for out of your salary, and if you're lucky you get a company match. So, in short, not only am I paying for your pension, I'm paying for my retirement too.



Typical entitled child mentality. And yeah, you're clueless.

Did I say that you were personally a lazy slob? No. But hey, if you want to throw in with those same useless slugs that I'm talking about, then be my guest. I dunno, maybe you are a useless slug given they way you're defending those creeps.

The difference between you and I is that I have zero protections on my job. Zip, nada, none. There is no bureaucratic process, no hearings, nothing. I f*ck up, and I'm gone. It's really that simple. I get laid off, no company is going to call me back. Hell, even the unions these days don't get that kind of courtesy nowadays.

And yeah the private sector is sucking the hind t*t. I have no idea who in the hell you think pays your salary, but all of that comes from guys like me, and those evil private sector corporations, and small business owners, and so on. You pay your taxes. Wow! You want a medal for doing that?

If you think that the taxes you pay somehow come close to justifying your salary at whatever bureau you work at, I shudder to think what substandard output you must produce. The government produces nothing. It creates no wealth. It does nothing but consume. And one of the main reasons why the private sector is sucking the hind t*t is because of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy that limits growth, stalls innovation, and basically destroys business.

It's like you are totally unaware that there is a 16 trillion dollar debt hanging out there, of which your salary and retirement are part responsible in making. Excuse me, but specifically who do you think if going to pay that debt? You and your federal butt-buddies? With what?

Oh, and by the way - not sure if you've figured this out yet - but when it all comes collapsing down, the first thing to go will be federal workers, and those federal pensions. And it will come collapsing down. It is inevitable given the utter cluelessness of people like you. Your p*ssing and moaning about Bush's two unpaid wars and all that liberal claptrap does not excuse that there are thousands of federal workers on the payroll, for decades, that should have never been there in the first place. They are the prime source of waste, abuse, and corruption which has been going on now for decades.

We'll see who is whining in a decade or two when austerity has its time in this country.

I don't hate the playa or hate the game. I applaud the FAA for the stunt they pulled.

Sequester - another failed Obama policy.

Gringo, I have no ill will toward you or your family. I'm sure that you work hard and do your job with pride. With that said, government employees have been insulated from the pain and suffering the rest of us have gone through these past years. I personally have taken a 60% pay cut over the past 4 years (near poverty level), hoping to somehow keep the doors open until this recession turns around. I've lost the battle, and will have to close my doors in a few months. My family has had to do without medical insurance as it's just not affordable. Our life savings are almost gone. Over that same period of time, my property taxes have jumped from $5,800 to over $7,000. The tax payers are suffering, yet our teachers and other public officials continue to get yearly pay increases at our expense.

Don't expect me to shed a tear, now that some government employees are finally getting a tiny taste of the suffering many of us have had to endure. To those of us who have burdened the blunt of this recession, the sob stories we hear from the "sequested" are laughable at best. Personally, they anger me, as the ones crying these tears come across as protected elitists that think they shouldn't have to give up anything, while those paying their salaries can barely get by.

I worked in a shop where salespeople got the choice between salaried or commission. The commissioned folks always bitched during the valleys but never were interested in becoming salaried during the peaks.

Life has choices.

It wasn't aimed directly at you DP. But I can understand how you took it that way when rereading things.

The only thing aimed at you is well wishes and unrequested sympathy for your business loss

Wish I could edit easily.

First of all I never complained about loosing money. I complained about the idea that people will have suffer because of this stupid sequester idea.

Second is it government employees fault they were "insulated"?

Third is it really compassionate to wish others, due to no fault of their own, suffer as you have?

Fourth can you actually blame someone for wanting to protect their pay?

Fifth not every business in the private sector has suffered, several have boomed.

Sixth the only federal employees you should blame for the failures or slowdown in your business are the congress and the last two presidents.

I just don't see the justification.

I really don't have a choice but to have a federal job in my line of work. I get offers from the private sector (from former service members usually) employees trying to hire me all the time.

Telling someone to eat a ******?? Not shenanigans.

And I don't like generic, broad brush, assumptions.

Although you were a "target" it's not personal. I really didn't feel like singling out every single comment made on this thread.

People just need to wake up and see what misplaced rage looks like.

I'm just doing my job. I am a little insulated because my job is more like a service industry. You either keep planes apart or you get fired.

I don't let myself get all worked up with the mismanagement. I do my job to the best of my ability and go home. I don't have project deadlines anymore, no inbox of 100's of emails every morning. But I am not lazy. I don't abuse my breaks, try to go above and beyond to provide service. But you know what happens when you try and do more and something goes wrong (two airplanes get close), you get fired because they will blame you anyway. Oh well, that's the risk I take. My soul is right with God.

The other comments like you can't get fired for any reason are silly. Yes you really have to screw up. I am pretty sure tardiness, not incompetence if the number one reason people get fired in the federal government, drugs would be the other. Though there are many many incompetent people.

It is frustrating working for government. But is isn't my fault, it's the institution as a whole. Design flaws.

Certainly shouldn't feel guilty because there is a pension plan that is better than most. If people truly understood the FERS system I think they would be shocked. It doesn't pay nearly as much as people think. You aren't going to retire rich in a lower paying govt job for damn sure. It's going to be double wide and generic cigaretts.

Obama Cone of Protection: get some!

Dpnewell, don't waste your breath. Many don't get it and probably won't 'til reality hits them in the ass and their golden goose finally dies.

That mindset emanates from the same zoo in the once thriving (now struggling due to illegal sanctuary status, etc.) Montgomery county which JUST (today) voted themselves a hefty 20% pay raise over two years. Only ONE dissenting voice pointed out that it was immoral due to struggling county suckers, er, taxpayers footing the bill.

Hope you got my email.

I agree with 98.2% of what Bucky said. Or was it 92.8%?

I think part of the problem is folks talk past each other because they are so right and the other guy will just never get it.

I like waffle cones

Government workers call that "breakfast"!

TW, your huntin' dog don't look none too good! LOL!

HD, I can't wait for Obamacare to be "activated" and replace our BC/BS! To hell with the gold huevos.
My wife not so much. She hates & distrusts the Government more than I do.

Not since they put in the "TeeDubbya Rule" after the incident in '08.

I know, right? Years ago I used to loathe the Government lots more than her but at least I used to like Repubs.
Now, I dislike 'em all.

Wow, I guess we both saw the light of conversion on the road to Damascus.

you should try being an Indian....