America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 8 years ago by teedubbya. 218 replies replies.
5 Pages<12345>
South Carolina to drop Confederate Flag
Jump to Bottom | Previous Topic | Next Topic
DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 9:51 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
we should prolly start burning some books too.... Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 9:52 AM EST
Joined: 12-21-2010
Posts: 12,884
I guessing the PGA will ban Bubba Watson for owning the General Lee.

It will be known as the "Bubba" rule.
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 9:59 AM EST
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,135
jetblasted wrote:
Interesting to note of Confederate symbols, is the giant carving on Stone Mountain GA. It was carved by the same guy who did Mount Rushmore. It depicts Jefferson Davis, Gen/s Lee & Jackson. It is huge, with the figure of Lee being the size of a nine story building.

To raise money for the carving, Senator Henry Cabit Lodge of MA introduced a bill then approved by Pres. Coolidge to mint a 1/2 silver dollar to raise money for the effort.




Stone Mountain Georgia should be leveled. There is no place for racist rocks. We can use the stone for roadwork and build some nice condos on the old spot.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 10:01 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
we can use them to stone racists... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 10:25 AM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
If your going to level the mountain, I have a step ladder.

I never new my real ladder.....
Speyside Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 10:51 AM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Sherman probably burned some books.
Gene363 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 10:57 AM EST
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,820

This is great, now we need to ban the sale and display of all Che Guevara, hammer and sickle, red sat and Mao tee shirts flags posters, etc.
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:03 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
I'm gonna burn all my white sheets.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:11 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
if you drive a Dodge ya gotta burn that too... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:41 PM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
Nothing is safe. You know how the Motts apple juice lable has a drawing of a cut open apple that looks like a vajayjay? They’ll get rid of that too.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:42 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
has it been a while Brew..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:44 PM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
Yeah, I don’t drink apple juice any more. Too much sugar….
DrafterX Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:53 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
I sip a little apple-pie every now & then..... Beer
cacman Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 12:57 PM EST
Joined: 07-03-2010
Posts: 12,216
I'm waiting for these big retailers to stop sales of hoodies and bandanas next.
jetblasted Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 1:06 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
People like to point out that Stone Mountain was the location of the re-birth of the clan in 1915, or there-abouts.

What they fail to mention that it was in response to the crime that Leo Frank, a Jewish business owner, was accused of
raping and killing little Mary Phagan, a 13 y/o girl.
Mattie B Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 1:20 PM EST
Joined: 12-12-2005
Posts: 6,350
You are correct jet.

I also know that the Klan would tune up white folks if they weren't acting right.

The story goes that a guy in his 50s had become the town drunk, wouldn't work and beat up his wife and kids. One day he ran out of beer and had his 9 yr old son take him to town as he was too drunk to drive. The Klan saw what was happening. The boy drove home alone and the dad came home about a week later with cuts and bruises all over.

I don't support the Klan by any means, but in the early years they did intervene in some situations for the better.
rfenst Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:44 PM EST
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,335
jetblasted wrote:
People like to point out that Stone Mountain was the location of the re-birth of the clan in 1915, or there-abouts.

What they fail to mention that it was in response to the crime that Leo Frank, a Jewish business owner, was accused of
raping and killing little Mary Phagan, a 13 y/o girl.


So, it's the Jew's fault that the Klan was reborn?
rfenst Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:46 PM EST
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,335
Mattie B wrote:

I don't support the Klan by any means, but in the early years they did intervene in some situations for the better.


...and therefore they aren't quite as evil as most people think.
Mattie B Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:46 PM EST
Joined: 12-12-2005
Posts: 6,350
I just laid down my 10 foot pole.
jetblasted Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:49 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
Does the Klan really even exist anymore?

Some say they do, but I've never seen any example of it . . .

Back in the 20's, they were in every state in the union.
rfenst Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:52 PM EST
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,335
jetblasted wrote:
Does the Klan really even exist anymore?

Some say they do, but I've never seen any example of it . . .

Back in the 20's, they were in every state in the union.


I have observed a Klan rally on the sidewalk in front of the Orlando JCC. They may not be riding horses and lynching people, but the still openly spew their hatred.
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:52 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Hang on a half second....

So you two have given "good" reasons for the clan's existence? And what you've selected are two vigilante acts?
I never thought constitutional law would be required in this forum.

The first case I just had to look up. You should wikipedia this Leo Frank case. Current scholars are pretty sure he didn't commit the crime. But good thing the mob got together to bust him out of prison and lynch him when the COURTS decided there wasn't enough evidence to kill him.

As for the rest... yeah, a guy drinking and having his kid drive him to get more alcohol is bad. But you know what else is bad? Kidnapping and battery.... what if those upstanding Klansmen who decided to take him somewhere and beat him accidentally killed him?

Seriously...it isn't like he stomped on a dog or anything. Sarcasm
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 2:57 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
tailgater wrote:
I'm gonna burn all my white sheets.



I somehow doubt you have many left. Maybe you should start buying brown ones in the first place.
Speyside Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:14 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Doesn't it depend on the color of the dog stomped on?
Brewha Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:19 PM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
Speyside wrote:
Doesn't it depend on the color of the dog stomped on?

Dogs are color blind.
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:25 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Drafter says they are all pink in the middle.
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:27 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
Mad
jetblasted Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:30 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
rfenst wrote:
I have observed a Klan rally on the sidewalk in front of the Orlando JCC. They may not be riding horses and lynching people, but the still openly spew their hatred.


Well, like I said, I've heard they exist, but I've never seen them. Best they stay under a rock where they belong.
jetblasted Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:32 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
victor, I sure as hell hope you don't think I was stating the Klan is/was good. And I sure as hell don't agree with *anything* they've ever done . . .

I was just stating a historical fact.
DrafterX Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:34 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
I think they moved to Illinois.... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:42 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
I'm well versed in the Leo Frank case. In fact, I can point out the tree they lynched him from today, and I know were Mary Phagan's grave is, too.

Was he guilty? Was he innocent? Who knows. There is compelling evidence for both sides. That happened 100 years ago, though . . .
teedubbya Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:44 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
doesn't really matter as long as the good ol klan took care of it and stuff
jetblasted Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 3:47 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
Shame on you Not talking Shame on you
teedubbya Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 4:05 PM EST
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
they are just largely misunderstood.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#85 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 4:22 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,444
Lmmfao at some racist terrorist that was finally able to do what rational free thinking people couldn't.

Too bad he didn't live to see what his legacy is. People will forget about the 9 lives lost and bitch and moan about how their little hate flag got banned.
Gene363 Offline
#86 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 4:34 PM EST
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,820
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Lmmfao at some racist terrorist that was finally able to do what rational free thinking people couldn't.

Too bad he didn't live to see what his legacy is. People will forget about the 9 lives lost and bitch and moan about how their little hate flag got banned.


So when the flag disappears will the nine people magically reappear?

When the flag disappears will the IQ of raciest murders go up?

Will raciest murdered be deterred or completely evaporate?

I for one think we need a lot of reminders of the Civil war, it was a terrible time when brother fought and killed brother. We need to remember what it was like to have a nation divided, the killing of citizens by citizens over something we could have resolved peacefully.
DrafterX Offline
#87 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 4:37 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
It's a shame they didn't have beer summits back then.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 4:51 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,444
Gene363 wrote:
So when the flag disappears will the nine people magically reappear?


I don't think so, but maybe it is a sign of the rapture.

Gene363 wrote:
When the flag disappears will the IQ of raciest murders go up?


No, trash will still be trash but it will be harder to spot them in a crowd without that symbol on a belt buckle, hat, tshirt or tattoo.

Gene363 wrote:
Will raciest murdered be deterred or completely evaporate?


Not following you on this one so I'm going to just vote "Present" on the matter.

Gene363 wrote:
I for one think we need a lot of reminders of the Civil war, it was a terrible time when brother fought and killed brother. We need to remember what it was like to have a nation divided, the killing of citizens by citizens over something we could have resolved peacefully.


I think we have too many and it STILL hasn't done a damn thing to restore the issue of racism and hatred in this nation. All one has to do is tour Gettysburg or walk around with a metal detector in Virginia. We're MORE divided now than we we were then but it's got more to do with equality than owning a slave. I've always held a disdain towards that flag. Not for the racist element it's steeped in but for the notion that there were those that actually wanted this nation to be divided. A nation torn apart so they could be an even smaller entity. An entity so small that it would've been devoured by another nation. No, it's a symbol that needs to go. Just look at all the stupidity that clings to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM45sqkth_0
jetblasted Offline
#89 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:05 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
So, if we erase all the reminders, will the memories go away ??

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Well, maybe the South *will* rise again . . . LoL
jetblasted Offline
#90 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:06 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
HockeyDad wrote:
Stone Mountain Georgia should be leveled. There is no place for racist rocks. We can use the stone for roadwork and build some nice condos on the old spot.


So, you want to blow up Mt. Rushmore, too ??

Huh
DrafterX Offline
#91 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:08 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
well, even if the libs pull it off the flag will only be removed from state property.. if Walmart stops selling the online stores will prosper... there will be plenty of flags to go around for a long time to come... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#92 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:18 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
DrafterX wrote:
well, even if the libs pull it off the flag will only be removed from state property.. if Walmart stops selling the online stores will prosper... there will be plenty of flags to go around for a long time to come... Mellow


Well, that's just it . . .

When the carving was done on Stone Mountain, it was on private property. The State of GA bought the property in 1962.
So, the carving is on State property.

AND, what about State owned Confederate cemeteries?
victor809 Offline
#93 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:25 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
jetblasted wrote:
I'm well versed in the Leo Frank case. In fact, I can point out the tree they lynched him from today, and I know were Mary Phagan's grave is, too.

Was he guilty? Was he innocent? Who knows. There is compelling evidence for both sides. That happened 100 years ago, though . . .


Shouldn't his innocence/guilt be a kind of important fact considering he was lynched by a mob which eventually became the KKK?

Scratch that... guilty/innocent, the mob took it upon themselves to lynch a guy which the government had deemed didn't have enough evidence to put to death.

The irony in the whole thing is that apparently a number of historians believe the evidence points to some black guy.

...

...

...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#94 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:29 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,444
jetblasted wrote:
So, if we erase all the reminders, will the memories go away ??



Not saying we need to erase ALL the reminders...just the ones that people wave in your face as they're spewing hatred and bullets. BIIIIIIG damned difference.

It's the battle flag for an armed aggression that was put down like a rabid dog. Get over it.
jetblasted Offline
#95 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:32 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
Get over it ??

LoL . . . I'm just having a discussion, dude.


victor809 Offline
#96 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:34 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
^ exactly.

Flags are specifically used to rally troops to a cause, to unite people under a single banner/color.

There is no purpose for a flag of a "nation" which lost and no longer exists, other than a museum piece.
jetblasted Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:39 PM EST
Joined: 08-30-2004
Posts: 42,595
victor809 wrote:
Shouldn't his innocence/guilt be a kind of important fact considering he was lynched by a mob which eventually became the KKK?

Yes

Scratch that... guilty/innocent, the mob took it upon themselves to lynch a guy which the government had deemed didn't have enough evidence to put to death.

Yes

The irony in the whole thing is that apparently a number of historians believe the evidence points to some black guy.

So they say . . .

...

...

...


If you're trying to bait me into an argument over a crime that was committed 100 years ago, it wont happen.

Again, just discussing history.

Not taking *any* side in that of which I do not have a part of.

It happened. And it happened here.

If you really want to get in the meat of the story of the lynch mob, it is quite interesting how they pulled it off.

I've heard from some people that they swear he molested some boys, too. But I've never read anything in regards to that story . . .
victor809 Offline
#98 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:44 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
jetblasted wrote:
If you're trying to bait me into an argument over a crime that was committed 100 years ago, it wont happen.

Again, just discussing history.

Not taking *any* side in that of which I do not have a part of.

It happened. And it happened here.

If you really want to get in the meat of the story of the lynch mob, it is quite interesting how they pulled it off.

I've heard from some people that they swear he molested some boys, too. But I've never read anything in regards to that story . . .


Perhaps I misunderstood your post, but it sounded to me when you said
Quote:
What they fail to mention that it was in response to the crime that Leo Frank, a Jewish business owner, was accused of
raping and killing little Mary Phagan, a 13 y/o girl.

you were trying to imply this was a good thing. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps you were trying to say "The KKK is bad, so bad that when they were formed they were formed to lynch a guy under questionable evidence of guilt"
Brewha Offline
#99 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:47 PM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
DrafterX wrote:
I think they moved to Illinois.... Mellow

Those were nazis.
banderl Offline
#100 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2015, 5:48 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Lmmfao at some racist terrorist that was finally able to do what rational free thinking people couldn't.

Too bad he didn't live to see what his legacy is. People will forget about the 9 lives lost and bitch and moan about how their little hate flag got banned.



Applause
Users browsing this topic
Guest
5 Pages<12345>
Back to Top