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Nope this is all me but I'm glad to see that you're here upping your post count.

Post count?
I have a low post per day count compared to a lot of guys here.
Are you jealous?

It's false outrage that's all part of an agenda. The number killed in the entire United States is less than was killed in one city!!!! Yet we have to do something? We have to infringe on the 2nd amendment? We need to further gun control? Bull**** all bull****.

We have another one, use crayon.

Liberal media?
Doesn't Fox always brag about the being the top news station in the country?
I get 98.2%of my news from a repube paper, everyday.
One of the largest newspaper chains in the country, the Chicago Tribune.
You need to get some better sources of daily info.

Looks like I am going to need to use crayons....

The funniest part is that the real numbers back the point he was trying to make (or should be trying to make).

Dude, I hear more people were killed by cigar smoking in San Francisco last year than were killed in the entire USA by the African poison arrow toad. And San Francisco even has smoking bans!!! Can you believe it!?

It's a number that has no actual meaning 99... You aren't comparing two things which are related in any way. You could compare murders in Chicago to absolutely any number and it would have the same relevancy. Stick with comparisons which are meaningful, I gave you the numbers and they still can support your point.

What I think he is saying is that the media talks about our mass shooting "epidemic" and cites it as reason for new legislation even though the numbers aren't even as bad as the black on black murders in chicago that nobody wants to address.

He is saying one fits the agenda and is highlighted whereas the other does not. He is intentional comparing apples to oranges to show how silly it all is.

At least that's what I took from it.

Then it is a false comparison and irrelevant since presumably regular ol murders happen everywhere else too. It's silly. It's apples to oranges and just generally bunk.

I see his point

Read my post two or three above if you are having trouble seeing what he is getting at

I'm not sure if we are all being intentionally dense due to the growing political rifts or what

It's not a political riff to me, I agree with him and I'm not being dense. It's a bad argument plain and simple. Apples/oranges.

There are more cotton balls in New York than cork screws in Thailand therefore you are gay.

I think it's interesting this mass killing takes on added importance because it was labeled terrorism which is the same issue as th black on black crime. And many in here screamed for that label for some reason. Both sides have their agenda. To me murder is murder. The terrorism label is the new hate crime label. Wgaf? It's murder. Multiple or singular.

Lol

Well regulated does not mean infringed upon. Well regulated means common sense. The people can't have grenade launchers, flame throwers or mortars. The founders had more clarity and forward thinking than you give them credit for.

The people of the United States are the militia. We have no rank and file but stand at the ready I can guarantee you of that. We are the ones that are being necessary to the security of a free state.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed upon.

Not one part of the second amendment bothers me but it clearly bothers you.

Actually well regulated meant practice.

And flame throwers are legal dude.

It's cool.

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http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/13/smallbusiness/flamethrowers-public-sale/

the bill of rights outlines the rights of the people, not the state, not the militia, not the neighborhood bakery, etc

it is for the defense of ones property and loved ones

a militia is one potential wartime application but was and is a small part of the bigger picture

But that's the inherent problem with comparing apples and oranges. You are comparing two different things, so there is no reason to assume that the attention the deaths get, or the legislation around it is going to be the same. I'm just speculating, but given that a high percentage of murders are committed between people who know each other, but in mass shootings, the victims rarely know the killer, there's a sense of randomness to it. The population feels it has control over most murders (I'm pretty sure most people think they aren't associating with anyone who is going to kill them), but has little control over mass shootings. Therefore they value the two types of dying differently.

There are a million ways to die in the US. Why do we focus on death by extremist muslims? Hell, I bet I could put together stats showing swimming is more dangerous than extremist muslims, but no one writes a news story about the dangers of pools. Because it's apples and oranges, and for some reason, probably related to human psychology, death from an outside source, which occurs randomly, is more significant to people than death due to some actions they involve in.

And again, your attempts to label everyone "lib socialists" when discussing STATS is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe a "lib socialist" would tell you your numbers are poor and then provide you with the exact numbers you need to make a cogent point??? Sometimes this board baffles me, with the individuals who seem to think "libtards" is associated with the proper use of numbers and statistics... I'm pretty sure liberal is a political leaning... and I'm pretty sure proper use of numbers and statistics (and methods of debate, and logical inferences) is something both sides of any political spectrum should strive to achieve. If you are going to associate these traits with only liberals, then you are by default associating conservatives with ideas not based on statistics, not based on an understanding of numbers, etc etc... that's not a winning approach.

It's CRAP like this that renders everything else you say as BS of the !st Order, swimming " accidents " do occur to be sure.....but 14 people forcibly drowned by someone like you....Just doesn't happen. Try to compare " apples to apples as you say!!!!! What a fool

pools don't kill peoples... water kills peoples...

Think about that before you book that dental trip.

Yeah, but you're clearly a lib socialist.

I don't care if the person murdered was black, brown or not.

I don't care if the murderer was black, brown or not.

I don't care if the murder involved "hate" or not.

I don't care if a mass killing was terrorism or something else.

Investigate what needs to be investigates, punish whomever needs to be punished, learn whatever needs to be learned, and do whatever you can to prevent more based on what you learned.

Black lives matters is silly, "hate crime" is silly, insisting on the terrorism label is silly, That part is all just political theater. It's just words.

The first " right wing traitor " was Sam Adams. Who the first is your hero.in American history, Benadict Arnold?