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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 11:55 AM EST
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I'm gonna have to move to Costa Rica... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 12:20 PM EST
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i understand folks being passed about the establishment and voting accordingly. Frustrated and overreacting is probably more accurate than stupid.

Cruz is particularly interesting to me. Forget the self proclamations about being more godly and more contituinionly than anyone else, and the other snake oil he sells. Forget all his self serving actions he used to create his facade. Forget the I'm not a politician mantra of the politician that served no purpose during his first senate term but to set up himself for a presidential run. Some of his actions clearly cost the country a butt load of money when the outcome was clear from the start and remained unchanged....... Pure politics at its finest serving no one but him.

Forgetting all that is my favorite part. He will rescind all executive orders because they are not legal and the president is not a king. He rails against the establishment (pretty much everyone but himself(a sitting Senator running for prez lol establishment as can be)) to the point his own party hates him. He did so intentionally to proclaim himself not like them. Smart but fundamentally flawed and see through as hell. Let's elect Cruz the guy who not only can't garner any democrat votes and flat out says he will never compromise, but he can't get republican votes and has burned every bridge he's seen in his own party with his own peers. Now let's hold him to his no executive order position and watch him sit in the Oval Office with a full body mirror watching himself self pleasure. What a POS. He's part of the problem but smart enough to exploit the willing angry otherwise smart people.

Reagans 70% rule is lost on the self proclaimed second coming of Reagan. People are so desperate they buy his **** probably while deap down in they know better. At least trump doesn't hide who he really is. He just leverages it. Cruz is trump while trying to pretend (successfully) otherwise and acting pious. I think what angers him is he realizes he's getting beat at largely his own game.

teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 12:21 PM EST
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Passed/p!ssed. Meh.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:11 PM EST
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Heard a couple young girls in the office here this morning talking.. neither has ever voted.. both are 26 or 27.. they seemed impressed with what trump was saying.. thinking he could actually make stuff happen.. had no idea about any of the others when I asked them what they thought.. they're prolly gonna vote Trump cause one of them saw a tv commercial or news clip.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:18 PM EST
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It doesn't help that there is not much to choose from. I've never been a Rubio fan but never disliked him. His last few days of trump routines are going to hut him long term. At least with me.
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#56 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:20 PM EST
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It's a shame he was born in Cuba and stuff.... plus he's gonna build a big gate... or somethin like that... But he's about the last hope... Mellow
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#57 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:21 PM EST
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Rubio lately is reminding me of Bush Srs far out man and Howard deans aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. The beginning of the end.
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:25 PM EST
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Heard Carson on the radio this morning... he seems to think the people will change their minds and vote for him... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:37 PM EST
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I was ABC. Anyone but Cruz. Then added Trump. I hope Carson or Kasaich are still in when we vote. Rubio killed his career trying to be trump.

Cruz is the only thing that could make me vote Hillary. Trump would likely make me vote third party. Any other R and I'm in it to beat the dems. Even little Marco though id plug my nose.
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 1:45 PM EST
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He does have a hot wife.... Mellow



I haven't looked at Kasich really.. Just doesn't appear to have a chance... It's a shame Jeb couldn't have changed his name or somethin.... Mellow


actually I take the Jeb part back... he looked much better on paper than real life.. the debates were pathetic.. Mellow
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#61 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 2:01 PM EST
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Kasich was a good guy. I really was hoping he'd make it through so I could at least have a sane candidate to look at on the other side to decide between during the elections. I don't know he'd be a guy I would vote for ultimately (it would depend on his positions during the actual race... ) but he was one of the few who seemed to have a chance.
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#62 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 2:04 PM EST
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Carly shoulda showed more cleavage.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 2:05 PM EST
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No. She was batsh6t crazy...
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 2:17 PM EST
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She had a lotta balls... Mellow
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#65 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 2:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I was ABC. Anyone but Cruz. Then added Trump. I hope Carson or Kasaich are still in when we vote. Rubio killed his career trying to be trump.

Cruz is the only thing that could make me vote Hillary. Trump would likely make me vote third party. Any other R and I'm in it to beat the dems. Even little Marco though id plug my nose.


so you hate most of the likely repubs so much you would rather vote for an oligarchical, holier than thou washington elite like hilary (understanding of course that a 3rd party vote at this current time is a wasted vote)? you feel that strongly that 4 more obama years of division politics and job killing policies with bigger government overreach would somehow be best for the country?

i am well aware of the hypothetical scenarios with the various candidates but feel that they will, at worst, approach the disaster that is a hilary presidency but most likely be measurably better. it is just hard for me to listen to you support candidates with conservative or small government ideals yet threaten to scrap it all and vote hilary if someone who you think is a jerk or liar (newsflash, hilary is the queen of the jerks and liars) is the nominee. it just confuses me as to what ideals you actually have and what you base them on.

i mean you are entitled to your opinion but i just wanted to make sure i understood your stance (if for no other reason than this is a message board and i suppose thats what we do on message boards).
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 3:42 PM EST
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To be fair gummy... We're guaranteed "division politics" with Cruz too.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 4:00 PM EST
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Well.... I hate 2 of the R candidates and only 2. Actually I only hate 1 (Cruz) the other I just can't take seriously just because he has an R behind his name for now. 1 or 2 is not most. I will vote to stop Cruz and have said so since he declared. Trump is a joke and while I can't vote for him I will not vote against him. As for the worn out cliche that a vote for x is really a vote for Y Bullsh!t. I'll vote for whomever I choose and if I vote for Elmo that's who I vote for not someone else. That old dog don't hunt. It's an old tactic to get someone to vote for a dog turd when they don't want to. Usually it's the turd or their handles using it. It's the same with the so and so should get out crowd. Win on your merit not some other bs. Cruz and trump have no merit.

I will vote for Kasaich, Carson or Rubio when my time comes. If Cruz wins I vote Hillary (yes I think he is that bad that as bad as Hillary is I choose her). If trump wins I vote third party. If any other R wins I vote for them even if through brokered convention. I've said as much since before the culling began (actually I softened on trump). This is too important to put that crap (or Hillary) in. The hill vote would take some soul searching but it is sort of like burning precious Forrest to stop a larger fire.
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 4:03 PM EST
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I think a Cruz vote is a wasted vote.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 4:09 PM EST
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Ya know until folks get over the don't vote for a third party it's a wasted vote nonsense we'll be stuck with this ****.
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 4:31 PM EST
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I heard a vote for anyone by Trump is really a vote for chupacabra
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 4:59 PM EST
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poor Forrest... Sad
teddyballgame Offline
#72 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 5:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think a Cruz vote is a wasted vote.



Well, you have an irrational hate on for Cruz, so that statement is taken with a grain.
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 5:06 PM EST
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I'm not sure you are qualified to define rational.
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 5:11 PM EST
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well, Heidi Cruz is no Jeanette Rubio... that's for sure... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 5:23 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Ya know until folks get over the don't vote for a third party it's a wasted vote nonsense we'll be stuck with this ****.



I don't think anyone is gonna try to force you to vote for anyone you don't want to... If you see black panthers with baseball bats just go somewhere else... but the voting for a third party candidate, in this election and the last anyway, is pretty much not voting... maybe next election there will be an option people take seriously but not today... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:03 PM EST
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I disagree I actually think this might be the election were more people do vote third-party to show the other two parties that they suck donkey turds. I mean really Hillary versus trump? If there's ever a time for a revolution it's now because this is revolting.
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:12 PM EST
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I agree but who's the third party..?? I just assumed he sucked too cause I haven't heard anything about him... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:15 PM EST
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But the Republicans are gonna throw Trump out if he gets the delegates anyway. .. Mellow
teddyballgame Offline
#79 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:17 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm not sure you are qualified to define rational.



Yeah, ok.

Coming from the man with blind hatred toward Cruz that once stated that Reagan couldn't be a nominee of the Republican Party today.

And the this precious statement ''If Cruz wins I vote Hillary (yes I think he is that bad that as bad as Hillary is I choose her).
That is about as irrational as it gets brother.


I know this, because I must be qualified to define irrationality.
gummy jones Offline
#80 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Well.... I hate 2 of the R candidates and only 2. Actually I only hate 1 (Cruz) the other I just can't take seriously just because he has an R behind his name for now. 1 or 2 is not most. I will vote to stop Cruz and have said so since he declared. Trump is a joke and while I can't vote for him I will not vote against him. As for the worn out cliche that a vote for x is really a vote for Y Bullsh!t. I'll vote for whomever I choose and if I vote for Elmo that's who I vote for not someone else. That old dog don't hunt. It's an old tactic to get someone to vote for a dog turd when they don't want to. Usually it's the turd or their handles using it. It's the same with the so and so should get out crowd. Win on your merit not some other bs. Cruz and trump have no merit.

I will vote for Kasaich, Carson or Rubio when my time comes. If Cruz wins I vote Hillary (yes I think he is that bad that as bad as Hillary is I choose her). If trump wins I vote third party. If any other R wins I vote for them even if through brokered convention. I've said as much since before the culling began (actually I softened on trump). This is too important to put that crap (or Hillary) in. The hill vote would take some soul searching but it is sort of like burning precious Forrest to stop a larger fire.


Okay so you sincerely hold values a,b and c. You feel candidates x,y and z espouse said values and hope to vote for them in the upcoming election. Neither x, y or z is an option so you vote for an establishment candidate with incredible character flaws and values opposite a, b and c. It just doesn't seem to follow logically and makes me wonder if you ever actually held a, b and c.

Even though I would disagree with the premise I think I could better understand not voting but voting opposite your values just seems silly.

Either way, good luck in your decision.
teddyballgame Offline
#81 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I don't think anyone is gonna try to force you to vote for anyone you don't want to... If you see black panthers with baseball bats just go somewhere else... but the voting for a third party candidate, in this election and the last anyway, is pretty much not voting... maybe next election there will be an option people take seriously but not today... Mellow




There has never been a third party that has threatened a victory. The vaunted Bull Moose party was about as close as it gets and it only got like 30% of the popular vote. So we got the great racist and socialist Wilson.

If there is a 3rd party split, the Dems will mostly go democrat as they goose step. The republican party will be the one that fractures and then the Dems will turn the country into Europe and move us further from the moorings of the Constitution.

3rd party is for losers.
stinger88 Offline
#82 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 6:44 PM EST
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You mean Drumpf not Trump, right? Yes, I really liked John Oliver's segment on Trump. Very enlightening.
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#83 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 7:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
He does have a hot wife.... Mellow]

I feel so dirty. I just googled Jeanette Rubio.d'oh!
DrafterX Offline
#84 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 7:46 PM EST
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freak... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#85 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 9:36 PM EST
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Candidate a b c are the ones that don't share my values. Charlatans and carnival barkers. So yes I disagree with your premise.

And no, Reagan would not get out of the primaries today. He compromised and would be considered a RINO if he ran today. Cruz is the farthest thing from Reagan.
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2016, 9:39 PM EST
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I said long ago the only thing that could make me vote democrat is if the republicans ran Cruz trump or Satan. I've softened on trump and would merely not vote for him. Cruz and satan are still on the short list.

It's the worse of two evils to me. The only ones more evil than Hillary are Cruz and satan.

So you can tell me Cruz is something I think he's not in order to base your premise in that but it doesn't describe my values or political stance. If it makes you feel better so be it.
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#87 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 1:23 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I said long ago the only thing that could make me vote democrat is if the republicans ran Cruz trump or Satan. I've softened on trump and would merely not vote for him. Cruz and satan are still on the short list.

It's the worse of two evils to me. The only ones more evil than Hillary are Cruz and satan.

So you can tell me Cruz is something I think he's not in order to base your premise in that but it doesn't describe my values or political stance. If it makes you feel better so be it.


I think you underestimate Hillary. I think she might be the mother of Satan . You're right on Cruz . He give off the cult leader vibe so I understand why some weak minded people so rabidly support him . Your wrong about Reagan getting nominated today . He could if he ran as a Democrat . He's that far to left of this republican party .

I can understand your views on not voting for a cantidate that you believe doesn't have integrity. Hilary has the same problem .
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I guess this would work...
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poor X... Sad
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#89 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 8:15 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I guess this would work...
https://www.propertiesincostarica.com/properties/paquera/for-sale/rustic-home-near-beaches-inside-gated-community.html

poor X... Sad



Hey, if Alec Baldwin didn't move, you shouldn't,,,,Beer
DrafterX Offline
#90 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 8:29 AM EST
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ya.. I might wait a while... just out of curiosity and stuff... Mellow
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#91 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 8:30 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Candidate a b c are the ones that don't share my values. Charlatans and carnival barkers. So yes I disagree with your premise.


are you speaking on values or personal characteristics?

personal liberties and freedoms coupled with small government seem to be the calling card of the repubs [for the most part]...those are the values i am talking about, not personal characteristics or shortcomings in the candidates themselves

hilary is everything that is wrong with politics
she has been a charlatan and a liar from the get go and it continues today
there is no candidate more elitist than her and yes i am including donald trump
throwing mud while buddying up with someone like that destroys your premise
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#92 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 10:04 AM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
Your wrong about Reagan getting nominated today . He could if he ran as a Democrat . He's that far to left of this republican party .




This is so far from reality it boggles the mind.

Reagan was for getting rid of the Department of Education for the love of God- but the establishment Repubs wrecked that. The establishment hated and resented Reagan.

He fired all the air traffic controllers that went on strike.
What politician would have the stones to do that now?
He shut the government down 8 times.

The Repub party has veered left since Reagan and the Democratic party has lurched so far left since then, that JFK would never have seen the light of day in this democrat party today.

Reagan would mop up the nomination today and run away with the election against Chairman Hil.
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#93 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 10:27 AM EST
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So the tea party members are to the left of Reagan?
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#94 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 11:30 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So the tea party members are to the left of Reagan?



The tea party would be the platform of Reagan.
But the Tea Party is not the majority of the Republican party now, is it?
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#95 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 12:03 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
The tea party would be the platform of Reagan.
B
ut the Tea Party is not the majority of the Republican party now, is it?





Just because you say that doesn't make it true. We have Reagan's platform, it's documented. Saying he would take the teaparty's platform is conjecture and fantasy that fits your rationalization (and flawed at that). His actual platform is fact and would not fly today. Parts of it would for sure, and you can cherry pick them, but others would not. His immigration position alone would disqualify him (Cruz would tear him a new bunghole).

Lets not forget Reagan was about inclusion and compromise not obstruction and exclusion. He did not vilify the opposition and actually liked them and got along with them even though they differed politically and intellectually. His rule of thumb was if he could get 70% of what he wanted he could negotiate/compromise the 30% away. It is the approach of a shrewd negotiation team who recognizes w-l isn't sustainable and w-w is the goal. The no compromise (zero) crowd from which Cruz panders are not remotely in the Reagan mold. In that one sense (and only that one) Trump is more like Reagan than Cruz by a long shot. I really don't see Cruz as remotely resembling Ronnie other than he proclaims it and his cult members repeat it. Not many outside of that niche see it.

Gummy we just disagree. Cruz does not represent me or my values unless I accept how you define him (and how he wants you to define him) which I do not. You can try to find comfort in some gyration of your definition of him but I've made up my mind on him years ago.

Hillary does not represent me or my values either and I have no desire to vote for her. I would vote for her over Satan or Cruz. That's about it. In fairness I would vote for Cruz over Satan but I'm not sure there is a huge gap. In my opinion, he is a dangerous person and I'm sorry more can't see it. You have a different view. It's cool. I think he is a false prophet. I truly believe given time folks will be embarrassed they ever supported him. I suspect an unraveling of the facade at some point. In fairness again that may be true of several of these folks. I'd sure be embarrassed had I ever held Palin up as a great conservative intellectual. Rubio was a teaparty darling now he is the establishments last great hope and is hated by the teaparty. They turned on him and I beleive they would have on Ronnie as well. These fads fade quickly, and we live in different times. Ronnie in todays world is a fantasy. I don't think he could/would exist.




By the way.... unrelated to all this... did anyone see the show on AHC about Ronnie and the blacklist/cia stuff? Fascinating.
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#96 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 12:08 PM EST
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Satan ehhh..??? Think Think
teedubbya Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 12:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Satan ehhh..??? Think Think



For the record I'm not for him.
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#98 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 12:19 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
This is so far from reality it boggles the mind.

Reagan was for getting rid of the Department of Education for the love of God- but the establishment Repubs wrecked that. The establishment hated and resented Reagan.

He fired all the air traffic controllers that went on strike.
What politician would have the stones to do that now?
He shut the government down 8 times.

The Repub party has veered left since Reagan and the Democratic party has lurched so far left since then, that JFK would never have seen the light of day in this democrat party today.

Reagan would mop up the nomination today and run away with the election against Chairman Hil.


What a complete buffoon.

Don't you have a Ted Cruz deek to suck on today?
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#99 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 12:21 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I really don't see Cruz as remotely resembling Ronnie other than he proclaims it and his cult members repeat it.



He tries to comb his hair like Reagan. Other than that...Reagan would kick his ass and wouldn't even want to be seen with a jerk like him!
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#100 Posted: Wed, Mar 2 2016, 1:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
For the record I'm not for him.



I don't remember seeing him on da ballot anyways... Mellow
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